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To: steve harris who wrote (148656)	11/17/2001 11:41:29 AM
From: semiconeng	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

I was looking around Tom's Hardware at the benchmark tests with the Pentium 4. They seem to all use RDRAM. Do you have any links to benchmarks on a P4 using SDRAM? The latest Best Buy sale has Pentium 4 systems advertised but they are using SDRAM. Steve Wooooo Hoooooo..... P4 systems on sale at Best Buy. That's Good News. The more P4 sales, the better. By the way..... were there any AMD systems on sale, or did Best Buy also go.... "All Intel". :-) Semi

To: steve harris who wrote (148656)	11/17/2001 12:52:27 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 186894

Steve, This will give you an idea just how pathetic the P4 is on SDRAM... heise.de Even a 1.2 Duron keeps up quite nicely with the P4-1.8 on these limited benchmarks which include P4 friendly Quake3. You really don't have to translate it, just scroll down... Jim

To: steve harris who wrote (148656)	11/17/2001 2:54:59 PM
From: wanna_bmw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Steve, Re: "Do you have any links to benchmarks on a P4 using SDRAM?" Try this one. xbitlabs.com It's a little more comprehensive than the link that Jim sent. Comments: - It's the 1.5GHz model, so you are going to have a similar cost structure compared to the Duron, Celeron, and Pentium III systems shown here. Besides motherboard costs, which tend to be higher for the Pentium 4, the CPU itself can be found within $25 of all the CPUs shown there. - Winstone scores show subpar performance. That's typical for Pentium 4, since the Winstone suite tends to includes yesterday's applications. It's a good test to show legacy performance, but I'd like to see the next version of Winstone. - FlasK, Winzip, QuakeIII, SciMark, DronZ, 3DMark2001 all show decent performance from the Pentium 4 with SDRAM. Keep in mind that this is the slowest Pentium 4 on SDRAM, and it actually wins some benchmarks. - Also keep in mind that the Duron systems are using PC133, which would not be the case for DIY builders, but would be the case in retail. Similarly, DIYers would tend to stick RDRAM or DDR on a Pentium 4, while retailers use SDRAM. HTH. wbmw

To: steve harris who wrote (148656)	11/17/2001 2:57:59 PM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

To:albert kovalyov who wrote (63849) From: Jozef Halada Saturday, Nov 17, 2001 12:08 AM View Replies (1) \| Respond to 63905 of 63926 Albert, p4 at 50%+ of us retail, where does intel get their data? Let say they continue at the same pace and now they are at 55%-65% then if amd is at around 35%-40% then there is only 0% left for celerons and pIIIs I don't think AMD is at 35%-40% of US Retail. AMD share of retail desktops started dropping in Q2 and never recovered. It's hard to find a top of the like AMD PC anymore. What you can find is a lot of the HP Athlon based models with 1.3 GHz Athlon Tunderbird, 200 MHz FSB (not a very desirable machine at this time.) I have seen one high end Athlon based Compaq with XP 1800+,, and the rest were P4s, Celerons, and a few (10 - 15%) low end Athlon and Duron machines. Sony no longer offers AMD based desktops. HP used to offer DDR based desktop, and it is gone now. It is a shame that AMD has the highest performing desktop CPUs and is unable to sell them. The delay of desktop Palomino is what caused the huge drop in AMD's desktop retail, and so far, it doesn't look like XP is regaining any of it. On the positive side, we now have some notebook penetration, partially offsetting losses in desktop retail segment. Joe