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Politics : WAR on Terror. Will it engulf the Entire Middle East? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (403)	11/17/2001 9:27:39 PM
From: Scoobah	Respond to of 32591

If it werent for the so called "settlements" where would the rising population of Israel live? Some of these so called settlements are just over the hill from Jerusalem, making the term settlement, complete nonsense! I was in Israel, and I have seen (and smelled) what the arabs have done to their portion first hand. Unfortunately, Kahane was right. Democracy and a Jewish State are inconsistent and doomed to fail. it has to be one or the other. It is time for Israel to elect its first King of the 21st century, and get on with the war. War is the only thing the arabs understand, and the onyl time they had any respect for Israel, it is time to put them under the whip.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (403)	11/18/2001 12:27:59 AM
From: Scoobah	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 32591

The song of sanity? 07:00 Nov-18-01, 3 Kislev 5762 US Senators Call on White House to Give Israel Green Light Against Terrorism (IsraelNationalNews.com) Eighty-nine members of the US Senate have sent a letter to US President George W. Bush, calling upon the US administration to give Israel the green light to deal with terrorism in the area. The senators rejected attempts to equate Israeli retaliatory strikes with ongoing terrorism emanating from the PA. The letter signed by 89 of the 100 senators praised President Bush for not meeting with Yasser Arafat during the United Nations General Assembly in New York City. israelnationalnews.com

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (403)	11/18/2001 10:17:44 AM
From: Scoobah	Respond to of 32591

Sharon and Powell head for a confrontation: Although they are both Generals, Sharon is the warrior, Powell the paper tiger. Sunday, November 18, 2001 Kislev 3, 5762 Israel Time: 17:14 (GMT+2) 07:29 18/11/2001 Last update - 17:03 18/11/2001 Sharon to EU heads: We are still demanding one week of quiet By Nitzan Horowitz, Daniel Sobelman, Aluf Benn and Nathan Guttman, Ha'aretz Correspondents and Agencies Belgian PM Guy Verhofstadt makes a point to PM Ariel Sharon during a meeting in Jerusalem on Sunday. (Photo: Reuters) Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said Sunday afternoon that Israel was sticking to its demand for seven days of quiet in the West Bank and Gaza Strip before implementation of the Mitchell Report. Sharon, who made his remarks in response to a question on the position of the U.S. - to be outlined in Secretary of State Colin Powell's speech Monday - added that his stance had been coordinated with the United States. Following the press conference, EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana referred to Sharon's demand for one week of quiet as "silly." Solana said the position of the EU was close to that of the United States, which Powell's speech would reveal. Sharon called for the heads of the EU to refrain from transferring funds to the Palestinian Authority. "I call on you to assist the Palestinian nation in establishing factories and lending them financial assistance. I also recommend that you not transfer the money to the Palestinian Authority, but directly to the Palestinian people. Money transferred to the PA is used to purchase weapons to be used against Israel." At a joint press conference with Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt, Sharon went on to say that Israel was dealing with "a severe terrorist offensive, forced on us by the PA. Terror and incitement created by PA Chairman Yasser Arafat, who leads a coalition of terror with the Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Fatah, Tanzim, and Force 17." Sharon and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres met Sunday with an EU delegation, led by Verhofstadt, which is trying to move Israel and the Palestinians back to the negotiating table. The high-level EU delegation is urging Jerusalem to support the new American initiative Powell is expected to unveil Monday in Kentucky. Solana explained that the requisite blueprints already exist in the Mitchell and Tenet documents. However, the delegation is expected to press Israel to drop its insistence on seven days of complete quiet before resuming negotiations. From Israel's perspective, the visit began on a sour note due to Friday night's airing by Belgian state television (RTBF) of a BBC report on the 1982 Sabra and Chatila massacres. Israel has officially protested the airing of the program, titled "The Accused," and is particularly incensed it was shown on the eve of the EU visit, in which Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhosftadt, holder of the EU's rotating presidency, and Belgian Foreign Minister Louis Michel are participating. The program accuses Sharon, then-defense minister, of responsibility for the massacres in which some 800 Palestinian residents of the Beirut-area refugee camps were killed by Israel's Lebanese allies, the Phalangists, during the Lebanon War. The EU delegation met Saturday with Palestinian leaders and the previous day with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. Palestinian officials welcomed the visit, but said they did not expect it to produce major results. "Let us not raise expectations," said senior Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat, noting that real progress would depend on the American initiative. "Europe told us more than once that it will not work independently of the United States or in competition with the United States. "The European role is an attempt to convince the U.S. of the necessity of presenting a full, comprehensive initiative that will consider ending the Israeli occupation according to international resolutions," he said. UN envoy: Israeli withdrawal from territories will make cease-fire possible United Nations special envoy Terje Larsen believes that in order to make a cease-fire possible, Israel must take a significant step towards the Palestinians by making an additional withdrawal from the territories. According to UN sources, Larsen's recommendation was discussed last week when Israeli and Palestinian representatives met with U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell in New York. One of the ideas discussed was Peres's 'Gaza First' cease-fire proposal. Also discussed was an additional Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank, as part of an interim agreement. Diplomatic sources said these recommendations work complementary to the Mitchell plan, which is considered an agreed on basis for solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. According to the sources, UN Secretary General Kofi Annan is currently trying to push forward similar plans.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (403)	11/18/2001 2:57:04 PM
From: Elmer Flugum	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 32591

"When you say "keep the war going" that implies that the settlements were the cause of the war and evacuating them would end the war. This is totally false. The settlements only started in the 80s; the war started long before. I'm no fan of the settlement policy but if you let the Palestinians convince you that the settlements are the cause of the trouble you are buying a bill of goods. Remember, in 67 and 70 and 74 and 79 the Arabs could have had all the territories back for a peace treaty -- no settlements then. They refused. When Sadat accepted in 79, he got the Sinai but refused to take Gaza back. Why should he when it's nothing but a headache to everyone?" Did Sadat speak for Egypt or for Palestine and the Palestinians? "I do think a negotiated settlement should include the refugees; but a blanket return of everybody Arafat says is a refugee is impossible (if it were discussed, you'd have 10 million refugees in a minute). A scheduled return of real refugees is something else; in fact, about 400,000 have returned during the Oslo process, 150,000 in 1999 alone. The PLO brought in their friends and families mostly." And those refugees should go into the country where they choose, not somewhere on the periphery. Since the Zionists want unlimited "right of return" than it only seems equitable for any Palestinian who can claim a "right" to return, much like folks who converted to Judaism do. They should also have dual citizenship with the Palestinian State. "Also, it's just not a political reality that occupied territory will be kept untouched for 10, 20, 30 years, particularly territory that is strategically vital (without the West Bank, Israel is less than 10 miles wide at its narrowest) and historically part of the Holy Land." I thought Israel was created for cultural and historical reasons a opposed to religious reasons? What is this talk about Holy Land?