To: Paul Engel who wrote (148730 ) 11/18/2001 1:34:39 AM From: Dan3 Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 186894 It's really all Intel has left, isn't it Paul? AMD's Athlon is so far ahead of P4 in performance that it even wins most benchmarks that are biased against it. It now uses less power than Intel's competing chip, so that it can use smaller cases and quieter power supplies. It's available in a dual processor version, so the complaint that it doesn't scale to a Workstation / Server class machine is gone too. Intel spent the last half of the 1990's working on two big projects: Itanium and P4. Itanium doesn't work and P4 is too slow, too big, and runs too hot. The newest AthlonMP SMP motherboards coming out this month have 64bit 66MHZ slots that comfortably support gigabit ethernet cards and 3 channel RAID controllers. The Athlon MP machines substantially outperform anything Intel can produce, and cost less. So Intel has a crew running around spouting trash like "they've had to release an updated bios, see how unreliable they are?" Meanwhile, not only do Intel motherboards also need updated bioses, but the number of Intel new product introductions that have had to be recalled because they had problems to severe to be corrected by a bios update outnumbers the number of Intel new products that didn't have to be returned. Pentium 1.13GHZ - shipped even though it corrupted data 810 motherboards with 3 RIMMS - shipped even though it corrupted data 820 motherboards with MTH - shipped even though it corrupted data P4 motherboards still fry when certain video cards are installed Intel's attempt at an 8-way chipset corrupted data - and Compaq had to tell Intel about it Itanium has some problem - and it was Compaq again that had to point out to Intel that, once again, Intel was shipping crap Meanwhile, not only are Intel products unreliable, but even the best Intel has to offer is slower than AMD's product, and AMD costs less. So Intel is reduced to a FUD campaign and using extortion to try to deprive consumers of a free market choice of computers. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but if you're continually shipping defective, overpriced, underperforming products, sooner or later things start to go against you.