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To: Joe NYC who wrote (64073)	11/19/2001 11:25:35 PM
From: fyodor_	Respond to of 275872

Joe: I know about the MicronPC and also the supermarket chains in Germany. I wonder if these systems are using the Nvidia's reference design and farm out the production to Jabil (or some other subcontractor) rather than buying the mobos from the Taiwanese. The surprising thing here, IMHO, is that MicronPC must be absolutely certain that the board is not only stable, but also manufacturable. This would seem to conflict with the statements from Taiwan that there are still numerous issues (which wouldn't surprise me, to be honest). I tried configuring one of the nForce systems and the ordering process seemed to go smoothly enough - no warnings of "not in stock" or the like. Of course, I didn't actually go as far as to give my CC#. Still, the systems would seem to be shipping. One of you in the US might want to try giving them a call&#133 -fyo

To: Joe NYC who wrote (64073)	11/19/2001 11:26:17 PM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

I don't know if this was posted: theinquirer.net Mike Magee posts a leak of Intel's memo about Itanium bug. This was my favorite paragraph: "Although we announced the product, we elected not to ship production units until such time as comprehensive internal testing and validation of the IPF processor is deemed successfully completed." I guess if one reads only Intel PR releases, one would think that Itanium is selling 100s of thousands of Itanium CPUs from 10s of OEMs. It turns out that Itanium has not shipped any production units. Could it be that Itanium will miss yet another year, 2001? I wonder if Intel lawyers made their NDAs and other Itanium related contracts bullet-proof. This could be a mother of all litigations, if Itanium line sinks like Timna. Joe