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Politics : Right Wing Extremist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Selectric II who wrote (20495)11/20/2001 1:43:25 PM
From: Bilow  Respond to of 59480
 
Hi Selectric II; Re: "The INS hasn't enforced Visa overstays." This is simply not the case. The truth is that the INS simply never finds anyone who's overstayed their visas. And how could they, aliens pass for citizens in this country.

Re: "A principal part of my solution is enforcement of immigration laws without enacting all sorts of unnecessary restrictions, unlike those who propound national i.d. cards without explaining why. Under my suggestion, a bell will go off at INS the day Abdul's Visa runs out, and they'll launch a manhunt for him, knowing all sorts of things about him and having leads about where he is because they will have gathered that data from him when he entered the country."

They don't have the manpower to do this. There's literally millions of aliens running around who've either overstayed their visas, or better yet, never had one at all. There certainly aren't going to be any "manhunts" for millions of illegal aliens.

Re: "But under the national i.d. card scenario, Abdul could lurk undetected for years without surfacing so long as he doesn't engage in certain types of transactions."

Your scenario suffers from exactly this same problem.

Re: "He could drive without a license until caught (many people drive on expired/suspended licenses now), he could probably even get onto an airplane with a borrowed i.d. if a gatekeeper slips up."

Have you ever spent a day at the local court house? If you had, you'd have found dozens of people who got caught driving with expired licenses.

Re: "Certainly, if he's a sleeper with only one mission to accomplish, he could hide for decades and save up his only visible act for that one act of terror."

Agreed, but what's the point? I want national ID for my convenience.

Re: "Are you advocating federalization of drivers' licenses, public assistance, government-issued credit cards, etc?"

No, I'm advocating the federalization (or at least federal requirements and standardization) of identity documents. Such documents, we now use drivers's (or "walker's") licenses for this, so deadbeats get multiple documents and collect multiple public assistance. I don't have the slightest idea where the concept of "government-issued credit cards" comes from. No, what I'm advocating is federalized identity documents. I'm sick of having to deal with a system where you have to get new documents everytime you move, can't have documents for two different states (even if you have two different residences), and have to be an out of state visitor in 49 of the 50 states. It's ridiculous, and it amazes me that so few people see it that way. People drive drunk until they no longer are allowed to drive in one state, and then simply move to another state and start over.

The system we have is a cobbled together result of the consequences of patchwork laws different in all 50 states and has no place in a modern, superpower. What we have now was efficient when "travel" meant walking 5 miles into town, but improvements in travel technology has made the US a lot smaller than it once was.

Re: "I'm not sure I understand that one. Which 50 identity document programs? Those run by states ..."

Drivers' licenses are what passes for our standard identity documents. Every state has a different document, and it's completely impossible for a deli in New York to have any idea what an Idaho driver's license is supposed to look like. The system is inane, it's crazy, it's ridiculous.

Re: "... private entities, or whom?" What, you think I should be able to use the picture ID given to me by my gymnasium in order to cash checks with? Do you think that's what I should have to show to prove I haven't killed 20 people on the freeways already? Of course not, our identity documents have to be provided by the government, (state or federal), and that is what will be required by the government when you claim to be someone.

-- Carl