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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (37801)	11/20/2001 1:20:23 PM
From: Jorj X Mckie	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Oh, I believe that we need to pay to educate our children. i just think that it should be voluntary. If you don't want to educate your children, that is not really my business. But, I also believe in voluntarily doing most of the things that are listed in my "do you believe" section. It is the part where it is done by coercion that doesn't sit well with my value system. And I do fight it within the confines of the law. I do think that the U.S. has, by far, the best values incorporated into formal organization. Doesn't mean that it can't be better. You hit on a bunch of things that I really didn't ask about, is there a reason why you didn't give a straight answer to the questions?

To: epicure who wrote (37801)	11/20/2001 2:11:48 PM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 82486

If you expect to live in a society that benefits from educated children, then you need to pay to educate them. Not at all. Society existed for millenia with highly educated people but not paid for by public funds. Parents were expected to, and did, educate their children. I don't know of any basis for believing that, for example, the Arabs had public education back when they were mathematically among the most adavanced people in the world. Or that the Greeks had public education when they were among the most advanced philosophers, playrights, musicians in the world. Aristotle, Plato, Socrates, all were educated at private expense. Surely you don't consider them uneducated? Publicaly funded education is a fairly recent phenomenon, relying on the pocketbooks of other people to educate one's own children. It has little to do with the desire for an educated population and a great deal to do with the finding in a democratic society, that, hey, we can just vote taxes to make other people with more money than we have pay for the things we want done but don't want to use our money for.