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Politics : Right Wing Extremist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Selectric II who wrote (20532)11/20/2001 4:02:06 PM
From: Bilow  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 59480
 
Hi Selectric II; Ah, you're a lawyer! That's why it's fun arguing with you.

Re: "And if banks are national, why can't you cash a check in the CA, ME, or FL branch of your nationwide bank?" Maybe I want to use a check to buy gas Phoenix from the 7-11 at 2AM. No banks are open. Besides, most banks are not national. What's national is our banking system and currency. Only one dollar in this country, not like it used to be. Back then, you had the freedom to carry around money with "Second Fish Bank of Maine" printed on it, though God knows who else would recognize it.

Re: "Besides, it's not the out-of-state driver's license and questionable identity that's the problem with an out-of-state check; it's the cost and hassle of chasing down out-of-state check bouncers that is." How do you know this?

Re: "Nowadays, if you lose a credit card you can cancel it and get a new one, with a new number, in days." I don't propose to change this, but you realize that this is an open invitation to fraud.

Re: "if you lose, or somebody tries to assume your national I.D. card, what do you do -- melt into oblivion?" Same thing happens now if you lose, or if somebody "tries to assume" your current identity. What's different is that now, they can assume your identity without bothering to take your identity papers. With a national identity card they'll have to look like you. Right now, all they have to do is get a driver's license issued in your name with their face in Iowa.

Re: "Just think about all the phone calls you'd have to make and letters you'd have to write after they issue you a new one." I don't suppose you've ever lost your passport while overseas. It's a lot easier than you're thinking. And have you ever found out what happens when you're travelling and lose your driver's license? That's right, getting back on the plane is a hassle. In short, it would be easier to get your card back if there was a nation-wide place to get it. Just show up, they check your fingerprints (or retinal scan or whatever) and they issue you a new card. And they automatically make it so that if someone else uses your old card they end up in jail.

Re: "And think about the mischief a thief can get into, using your i.d., until he's caught. You'd have no assets left, as well as no i.d." These are all empty arguments. What you're describing is the situation we have now.

Re: "P.S. Sounds to me like you're part of the crowd that believes statehood and federalism are outdated and we should abolish state government in favor of solely federal government. Are you?"

No, I'm not. I prefer a system where I have a choice of places to live. This is a matter of personal freedom. I think I should be allowed to choose a place to live where, for instance, the anti-smoking fascists prevent smoking in all public places, even privately owned bars, or, alternatively, a place where the nicotine addicts allow even children to smoke. I'm against federalizing things that are not required for efficiency.

My attitude towards identity documents is strictly one of efficiency. I feel the same way about the uniform commercial code. I think it's a travesty that there are places in the country that don't come close to following it.

A good bit of the strength of the United States is in our monotonous similarity. This is the largest market place, and that applies to people (i.e. jobs) as well as soap.

-- Carl



To: Selectric II who wrote (20532)11/20/2001 4:13:55 PM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 59480
 
. And think about the mischief a thief can get into, using your i.d., until he's caught. You'd have no assets left, as well as no i.d.

SII, the salient feature of a national ID is that it is unique to you. If you lost it, someone else couldn't use it, unless they figure out a way to steal your fingerprints, eyeballs, or whatever the card uses to tie itself indelibly to you. You may have to undergo some hassle replacing it, but you would not suffer theft any more than with a lost credit card.

I guess you're just set against a national ID system independent of any arguments for or against it. Otherwise you wouldn't set up bogus straw men to knock down rather than debate the scenarios that some of us have put before you. You're entitled to your mind set, but please don't assert again that no one has given you an explanation of how a national ID might work. I'm exhausted. <g>

Karen