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To: Ali Chen who wrote (149096)	11/21/2001 4:41:52 PM
From: wanna_bmw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Ali, Re: "the P860 copper damascene transistors have 70nm gate length." True, but Fingolfen was discussing the 2.0GHz Pentium 4, which is still manufactured on Intel's .18u Al P858 process. Intel's process history tables show .18u manufacturing as having 130nm gates, but Fingolfen might be right that they are 100nm today. By the way, I notice on the other thread that you suggested that the .13u Pentium 4 might top out at 2.4GHz, if it happens to have leakage levels similar to the Tualatin based Pentium III. Can you elaborate on that? wbmw

To: Ali Chen who wrote (149096)	11/21/2001 4:48:51 PM
From: Windsock	Respond to of 186894

"According to this document, the P860 0.13 technology is shipping since May 2001: intel.com According to the foil #6 from intel.com the P860 copper damascene transistors have 70nm gate length." Clueless Ali You just proved that P860 is a 0.13 micron process having 70 nm gates. The P4 2 GHz processor was introduced on a 0.18 micron process that uses 130 nm or perhaps 100 nm gates. You can then conclude that Intel can achieve 2 GHz on 100 nm gates. Using 70 nm gates Intel will have P4's up to 3 GHz by the end of 2002.

To: Ali Chen who wrote (149096)	11/21/2001 5:02:41 PM
From: fingolfen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Now it would be appropriate for you to admit your erroneous outburst in public, and move on with life (if any). Ali, Ali, Ali... The 2.0GHz P4 is manufactured on Intel's 0.18 micron process. Using a notched polysilicon structure, gate lengths of ~100nm are achieved. When the Northwood core is released next year, the P4 will have a narrower gate (as you indicated 70nm-ish), and utilizing that narrower gate Intel has publicly stated a goal of 3.0GHz by the end of the year. The 1.6GHz AthlonXP is manufactured on an extended 0.18 micron process using a 70-75nm gate, therefore making it far more difficult for AMD to increase frequency at the 0.13 micron node... Given that my statement is borne out by fact, and your point was based on misconception... what was that about it being appropriate for someone to admit their error and move on with life??? The facts clearly show that you are the individual in error. I further request an apology for your hyperbole.