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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Captain Jack who wrote (10893)	11/22/2001 4:28:21 AM
From: joseph krinsky	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

Thanksgiving Speech From DoD: Use link, it's on real player. defenselink.mil Thanksgiving Day 2001 Message From Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld Thanksgiving is a uniquely American holiday, a day that commemorates the Pilgrims' survival in the New World and celebrates the freedom for which we offer our thanks to God. But while every American knows why we celebrate Thanksgiving, I suspect a few realize that it took the Civil War to make Thanksgiving a national holiday. "In the midst of a civil war of unequaled magnitude and severity," President Abraham Lincoln wrote, "order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict." Thus, did he declare the last Thursday in November a national day of "thanksgiving and prayer." Today, America is once again at war — a war every bit as dangerous and threatening to our national survival as that war that so tested America's courage and resolve. And again, American citizens have met the challenge. Order had been maintained, laws have been obeyed, and love has prevailed over unspeakable evil and destruction. Indeed, Americans have shown the world just what stuff they're made of — and for that I am very grateful. But as in all war, the responsibility for its successful conclusion falls to you, America's defenders. You carry the torch passed to you by hundreds of policemen and firefighters who raised our country's flag over the wreckage and pulled our fellow citizens out of the rubble. And for that, all America is grateful. So, as you sit down to a Thanksgiving meal — in makeshift camps, aboard ships at sea, on bases far from your families and your homes — know that you are in the hearts and prayers of every American. As families all across the land gather together, they will give thanks to God not only for the blessings and benefits of freedom, but for every soldier, sailor, airman and Marine who is fighting to defend it for us and for every human heart that longs for liberty. On behalf of the entire Department of Defense and a grateful people, thank you, and may God bless you and return you safely home.

To: Captain Jack who wrote (10893)	11/22/2001 6:59:18 PM
From: lorne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 27666

U.S. Has Said It Won't Let Foreign Fighters Fight Again as Northern Alliance Announce Surrender Agreement for Kunduz By Sally Buzbee Associated Press Writer Published: Nov 22, 2001 " If they aren't killed, they must be locked up forever, the Pentagon says, because any who are given amnesty or free passage will simply try to launch more terror." Full story >>> ap.tbo.com

To: Captain Jack who wrote (10893)	11/23/2001 2:13:50 PM
From: yeow	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 27666

No shortage of ugly Americans here......... You guys who paint the world's Muslims as idiots and bin Laden lovers need to consider that he has and is receiving a minuscule amount of public support from Muslims around the world. Aside from the handful of relatively tiny demonstrations that happened after the early bombing of Afghanistan, Muslims have spoken very loudly about their opinion of bin Laden by saying very little at all. There are certainly many disaffected Muslims around the world who blame the US for their troubles, rightly or wrongly. It is a very small and, frankly, extremist fraction who idolize bin Laden. To be taken in by their hype is exactly the kind of polarization that bin Laden is hoping to create. He may have fooled a couple of posters here but I'm betting that most Muslims and most Americans are not so easily duped.

To: Captain Jack who wrote (10893)	11/23/2001 2:19:06 PM
From: joseph krinsky	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 27666

Please don't shoot, we're Canadian November 23, 2001 National Post Prime Minister Jean Chrétien's admission that Canadian ground troops will not be sent to Afghanistan if their deployment entails fighting casts serious doubt -- to put it at its mildest -- about his government's commitment to waging liberal democracy's war against terrorism. Canadians have often been militarily unprepared for war, but until now no Canadian government has pretended to be at war when it is not. Five days after the terrorist attacks on the United States, John Manley, Canada's Minister of Foreign Affairs, declared "Canada is at war against terrorism" and will "unambiguously" join the U.S. military action against terrorism, a stand 81% of Canadians agreed with in a poll taken shortly thereafter. If the United States requires our military assistance, said Mr. Manley, it need only "let us know." On Oct. 7, Mr. Chrétien underlined his putative commitment to the just war now being undertaken when he said Canada is "part of an unprecedented coalition of nations that has come together to fight terrorism." All this seemed to be so as Mr. Chrétien dispatched six naval ships, six planes and almost 2,000 military personnel to assist two U.S. Navy carrier battle groups spearheading the war on the Taliban and Osama bin Laden's terrorist network in Afghanistan. But on Monday, Mr. Chrétien told the House of Commons that the mission of nearly 1,000 Canadian ground troops waiting to go to Afghanistan is "to bring peace and happiness as much as possible." Worse than this mumbo jumbo was the Prime Minister's more precise statement that, "of course," the Canadians are going "not to have a big fight there." Tony Blair, Britain's Prime Minister, is waiting to send 4,000 British troops to Afghanistan once arrangements can be made with Northern Alliance commanders in Kabul. In addition to opening routes for humanitarian relief with the Canadians, Mr. Blair said his troops are prepared play an "offensive front-line" role to help destroy the Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters, a battle that may also be waged by 1,500 U.S. Marines who are preparing to go to Afghanistan. Yet Mr. Chrétien is implying that troops from this country are really social workers in camouflage. As with the ground forces, so with our naval mission. On the flagship of each of the two U.S. battle groups, a Canadian liaison officer will be on hand to inform the U.S. commander whenever his orders violate the Canadian government's rules of engagement, which do not permit offensive action in the war. It does not sound much like the helpful relationship in which the Americans need only ask our help and we will give it. Ottawa wants our sailors only to defend U.S. ships against attack, but it does not want them to wage war. Why not? Does the government not actually believe what it says about the need to defeat international terrorism? Another indication of Mr. Chrétien's tepidity in this fight was his declaration on Tuesday that he needed evidence linking the Sept. 11 attacks directly to Iraq's President Saddam Hussein before he was prepared to widen the conflict to its next obvious and necessary target. This suggests a wilful blindness about Saddam's well-known sponsorship of terrorism. Saddam operates a terrorist flying school in the suburbs of Baghdad, and his secret service met the Sept. 11 ringleader shortly before the attack. What sort of smoking gun does Mr. Chrétien require? -- a cheque signed by Saddam with Mohammed Atta as the payee? This stand drives a wedge between Canada and the United States on this issue and is not a token of Canadian sovereignty but of spineless obstructionism in the face of a real threat. "From this day forward," said Mr. Bush in his address to a Joint Session of Congress on Sept. 20, "any nation that continues to harbour or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime." One of those regimes is Iraq. This is surely a position a serious developed democratic nation should adopt. If not, then the government is waging a phony war. The public supports decisive military action -- there should be no other kind -- against terrorists and the states that harbour and sponsor them. Mr. Eggleton says the Canadian military's mission is to "help people." Canadians have historically helped people by fighting for their freedom. They have not hitherto told their allies that they will contribute soldiers only if nobody shoots at them and they are used not for fighting but to drive ambulances and hand out packets of rice. nationalpost.com Comments??????????????????? (LOL)