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To: Thomas M. who wrote (11263)	11/23/2001 3:18:11 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Respond to of 281500

Few thought the Cuba Crises would end the days of the nutty hawks.

To: Thomas M. who wrote (11263)	11/23/2001 5:02:42 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Apparently proving that directors of intelligence organizations do not themselves make ideal field operatives, Woolsey's pursuit of the World Trade Center connection led him to the small town of Swansea, Wales, Oh boy... That's WHOLLY unfair. I'm sure Woolsey was excercising proper "tradecraft" and was engaged in "dry-cleaning" himself so no one would realize the true aim of his mission was the town of "llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwyll-llantysiliogogogoch", whereupon he was to meet with the lady pictured here on the left: facstaff.bucknell.edu Obviously displaying her own proper tradecraft, this lady, known only has "Ms. Lily", is former head of MI-5 and previously assistant director of the GCHQ decryption section. The goal was apparently to see if Al Quaeda operatives were using this quaint little town in Wales, to hide secret operations plans for the construction and deployment of weapons of mass destruction within some form of cryptic anagrams contained within the town's name. His next stop is allegedly some small town in Thailand known as: Krungthepmahanakonbowornratanakosinmahintarayudyayamahadiloponoparatanarajthaniburiromudomrajniwesmahasatarnamornpimarnavatarsatitsakattiyavisanukamphrasit geocities.com Hawk

To: Thomas M. who wrote (11263)	11/24/2001 2:08:26 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

Thank you for another shining example of the quality of CIA intelligence that got us into this mess. And going after Hamas or Hezbollah would be a terrible mistake—neither has broad-based support in Palestine, neither is an exclusively terrorist organization, neither is attacking Americans, and if we do go after them, they'll start targeting Americans. Wrong on all counts. Hamas does have wide support (see clip from a recent Jerusalem Post article) and they are running the current campaign of suicide bombers. Does the CIA consider suicide-bombing discos and malls and restaurants to be terrorism? or only if Americans are killed? Or does the case officer mean to let them off the hook of being terrorists because they occasionally shoot at soldiers as well? You could make a case that Hizbollah tends to stick more to military targets, but I doubt that the families of the 241 Marines who were blown up in their barracks in Beirut would give them the benefit of this doubt. And what does this man mean, "if we go after them, they'll only attack Americans"? They already have attacked Americans; has he forgotten the Marines? That sentiment reveals a remarkable complacency in our ability to limit the problem to the Israelis, astonishing in the light of September 11th, and a very low confidence in our ability to hamper their activities. From the November 19th Jerusalem Post: GAZA STRIP (November 19) - Local IDF commanders are far less worried about the fact that a locally produced rocket was fired for the first time this weekend than they are about the increasing likelihood that Hamas and Islamic Jihad will ride to power on a new uprising simmering in the streets of the Gaza Strip...commanders fear the rule of the Palestinian Authority in the Gaza Strip will disintegrate, and Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat will be replaced by Hamas and Islamic Jihad. A senior field commander warned yesterday the PA is being weakened from within, and the crux of the distress is the economic plight of the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip... "The situation today is that, if nothing moves, then the PA will crumble into local autonomies," the officer continued. "Either that or the distress is likely to explode in a new uprising whose roots are with the people and against the PA." "This could go in all directions, since this would be coming from below. It will be dictated by the place and timing of an [incendiary] event, contrary to the unrest being directed from above, as it is now," he said. Hamas and Islamic Jihad are gaining ground, the officer said, while the PA is crumbling as the Gaza Strip turns more and more into fiefdoms of local warlords.