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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (11311)	11/24/2001 1:46:43 AM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Well said Hawk!!! We could also perhaps give the enemy a choice: our punishment, or the one his country proscribes.... ....would reveal that said civilization is a conscious voluntary choice made by societies who normally don't have to worry about being threatened with their destruction from uncivilized people. And since choosing to be civilized is strictly voluntary, so is the choice to deal with one's enemies in a manner which they would deal with you.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (11311)	11/24/2001 10:26:52 AM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Respond to of 281500

"would reveal that said civilization is a conscious voluntary choice made by societies who normally don't have to worry about being threatened with their destruction from uncivilized people." (what about leaving out the un-??) I think this was popular in the nationalistic and colonizing, romantic 1800s, needing all excuses they could find. With a little of the then "liberal" ideas and the concepts of "free choice" and some "rationality" sprinkled in, during the process of having to consider that Darwin seemed to claim even the aristocrates are monkeys. Ilmarinen Btw, both Islamic Fundamentalism and some western values seem to have that revenge and retaliation in common, which according to more general definitions of "civilization" is what should be done in a different way.