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To: Ilaine who wrote (82)	11/29/2001 8:12:59 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 621

<Seriously, though, in America it's not uncommon for people of Irish descent whose parents came over in the 19th century to still hate the British for the way they treated the Irish Catholics for centuries.> No wonder Irish jokes remain popular. It obviously doesn't occur to these intellectual whizzes that there are no people alive from the 19th century to blame for what happened in the 18th century. You think "the Irish" have the right to "throw the British out"? But what if the majority want to remain part of Britain? I suppose Americans are still fixated by Paul Revere, so support bombing children and other innocent people in Omagh and the Tower of London in a battle for freedom against the evil 18th century British. Nice euphemism for murder, "throw"! Your argument is Osama's argument. Osama is throwing the Americans out of Saudi Arabia and Palestine, but did a better job of murdering more people than the IRA have done. He doesn't have a ballot box to work through, so he used your Plan B. Unlike your "occupying and army and police force", but like the IRA, he carried the bombing to the home ground and the public in the USA and from around the world. It would be good if Americans could understand the similarity, but 'our' terrorists always seem to hold a strange allure as "freedom fighters" so I expect Americans will continue to be puzzled that many people around the world have contempt for Americans and some want to kill them even though they are so cute and cuddly and their terrorists and bombers don't mean to kill children, it's just what happens with collateral damage, as Tim McVeigh pointed out in his 'freedom fight'. Mqurice

To: Ilaine who wrote (82)	9/9/2002 10:13:40 AM
From: AC Flyer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 621

>>I think the Irish have the right to throw the Brits out. By that I mean the occupying army and police force.<< So to be logically consistent, CB, you would also argue that native Americans have the right to throw the English, Irish, Lithuanians, etc., etc. out of the US & Canada, right? Your/our recent ancestors engaged in continent-wide genocide in the nineteenth century, directly or indirectly causing the deaths of millions of native Americans, a little fact that is conveniently forgotten here in the US. (How much personal responsibility do you feel for that?) The native Irish on the whole received far better treatment at the hands of the British. Unfortunately for the Irish, when you are a medieval feudal society located right next to the world's biggest (eighteenth and nineteenth century) industrial superpower, the outcome is predictable. The realpolitik is that the large majority of the population of Northern Ireland (not the Republic of Ireland) are Protestant, loyalist (to the UK government) and are largely descendants of immigrants from the North of England. It's a funny thing, too, but the current "occupation" of Northern Ireland by the British Army which began in 1969 was initiated in order to protect the minority (Catholic) population of Northern Ireland from an escalating wave of Protestant violence. The (mostly Protestant) Royal Ulster Constabulary was not doing the job, for some reason. Don't get mad at me, I didn't create this mess.