Hi, marcos -
"nice try on the twistings here, i'll address a couple at random "
...Typical Threadstar tactic: give the best riposte you've got, to whatever you can, and ignore what you can't defeat. I also like the instant characterization of all my comments as "twistings" - a nice demagogic touch - and also typical Threadstar tactics: put your opponents comments in the worst light possible, and never acknowledge that there might be a real, thinking person trying to have an intelligent debate.
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1 - "How can this be when by virtue of being a native/resident of two areas of the Américas i am myself an 'american'? ... what you mean is 'US nationals' of course, and you'd like to stretch my pointing out of specific and demonstrably monstrous actions of those who control that nation into calling each and every one of their subjects a monster ... well that is just plain silly - it is true that on Thread Morons i nominated as morons all US taxpayers who permitted their funds to be used in such a manner, however in an upmarket dictionary you'll find 'monster' and 'moron' separated by a healthy number of entries ... as for the judgment you've built around your fiction, if you don't care that your supposed neighbours are being bankrupted by the lobby in control of the 'Commerce' department, and clearly don't care about US assistance to the Pinochet regime's murders of chilenos for the sin of expressing their political views, nor about millions of indochinese killed in a demented attempt to stifle their struggle toward independence, then sorry but i don't much care what you resent."
(1) - I think we differ on what terms we would use to characterize America, and Americans, and on who 'controls" that state. I also think your comments on the lumber issue are divorced from a real understanding of how contentious and difficult these issues can be, on an international scale - and how broad-based they really are. The influence of powerful commercial lobbies is pervasive, throughout the world.
Let's see, what else have we got in this paragraph's grab-bag of issues? Oh yeah...
"...as for the judgment you've built around your fiction..." another Threadstar tactic. What judgement? What fiction?
"...if you don't care that your supposed neighbours are being bankrupted by the lobby in control of the 'Commerce' department..."
Threadstar deluxe! The implication is that I am uncaring person (and you, also by implication are - thereby making you morally superior to me!).
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"...and clearly don't care about US assistance to the Pinochet regime's murders of chilenos for the sin of expressing their political views..."
See Threadstar deluxe! above...
"...nor about millions of indochinese killed in a demented attempt to stifle their struggle toward independence..."
Threadstar supreme! This is a classic. First, you completely ignored what I said. Then you assume the Virtuous Clothing of one who protests these actions, and assumes the role of Defender of Others. Prejudicial language. Errant conclusions, predicated on unproven assumptions.
Pretty good stuff, marcos. You would have made a great speechwriter for Hitler.
"...i don't much care what you resent." Well, since you claim dual citizenship, I guess I should attach some importance to your opinion, right? Oh, BTW, what year was Canada blessed with your arrival?
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2 "...I try to damn only one party per post, better focussed that way ... tv generation, sound bites, you know ... plus each post tends to address one point, so there's a balance you see - one point, one party damned ... check others of my posts and you'll find other parties damned ... better check your facts here, Citizen Kayne ..... with respect to the 'Commerce' department assault on BC forestry, i do indeed blame the USA [which is what you meant by your term 'America', right? ... just guessing, it's so confusing the incorrect use of that term ... btw, both the US and BC occupy portions of one of the Americas] .... and quite rightly - how can it possibly be justified that lobbyist goons like this bunch in DC should stand between hard-working producers and their honest customers? ... huh? ... feel free to try..."
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"...I try to damn only one party per post, better focussed that way ... tv generation, sound bites, you know ... plus each post tends to address one point, so there's a balance you see - one point, one party damned ... check others of my posts and you'll find other parties damned..."
Damned decent of you to be so precise with your invective; I hate to cloud your proclamation with facts, but you've demonstrated a 'shotgun' approach, though you claim to be a 'sniper'.
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"...better check your facts here, Citizen Kayne ....."
Ah, but I have marcos; evidently, much more than you, notwithstanding your attempt to use my name prejudicially...
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"...with respect to the 'Commerce' department assault on BC forestry, i do indeed blame the USA [which is what you meant by your term 'America', right? ... just guessing, it's so confusing the incorrect use of that term ..."
marcos, I'm beginning to believe you would be confused by anything. Another Threadstar Deluxe statement! The attempt to resolve a complaint by a powerful lobby within the United States is being dealt with, as it should be, in bilateral discussions. As to whether that constitutes an "assault," (to use your prejudicial language) well, that's another question.
And your nitpicking distinction about my use of the term America is a red herring: it is abundantly clear what the word refers to, and quite clear that the Department of Commerce is the legal embodiment of the United States in this affair: for practical purposes, it is the United States.
Your pedagogical attempt to find fault by splitting hairs is just another Threadstar tactic. My meaning was quite clear. Evidently the distinction between America and North America eludes you.
"...on BC forestry..." Is it your position that only BC is affected by Softwood Lumber dispute? That strikes me as a distortion, but let's not let the facts intrude on your vitriolic comments.
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"...how can it possibly be justified that lobbyist goons like this bunch in DC should stand between hard-working producers and their honest customers? ... huh? ... feel free to try..."
Amazing. Threadstar superb! Lobbyists are "goons". Not an unfortunate but necessary part of democracy - but goons.
"...hard-working producers and their honest customers?" Aw geez, marcos, should I stand in silence with my hand over my heart?
Would these "hard-working producers and their honest customers" be the same ones that have clear-cut millions of acres of our land, ruining fish habitat, polluting streams, and decimating wildlife in the pursuit of corporate profits and higher wages?
You guys have got a case, all right? It is being worked on now, at the highest levels. Such disputes are a normal part of international relations. It is sad, it is unfortunate, but it is not the end of the world. The United States and Canada have a long history of such issues - and, despite your foaming-at-the-mouth attacks, they also have a long history of resolving these problems.
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"But tell us what you think, Jim - Is it your position that the faeces of those in control of the US and every single one of its departments and agencies comes out invariably in pretty little plastic bags and smells nice? ... Ever see a military-industrial complex you didn't like? ... Are you so vitally concerned with being seen as with-'em that you always feel the need to stifle opinion that deviates in the slightest from their party line? ... or is today an exception for you?"
marcos, there is no point in responding to your loaded, illogical and inflammatory provocations.
Doubtless, you feel this forum is the proper place to indulge your penchant for indiscriminate and scatalogical grafitti, poorly disguised as sensible debate.
I'll see you on the bathroom wall, somewhere.
Later,
Jim |
