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Politics : Idea Of The Day -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: BubbaFred who wrote (41816)11/28/2001 9:26:57 AM
From: Murrey Walker  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 50167
 
Ike, you haven't posted for some time.

What's up?



To: BubbaFred who wrote (41816)11/29/2001 6:59:14 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
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Thank you Americas, we in Pakistan can only say this. We were hostages of scum’s of earth we are free. Riaz Basra is probably dead. Senior intelligence officials in NWFP have said that interrogation with one of the wanted terrorists, who was arrested while returning to Pakistan near Torkham border recently, has revealed that at least two dozen militants associated with the banned extremist party Lashkare Jhangvi have either been killed in Mazar-i-Sharif or were completely trapped in Kunduz till last week.

These were Saudi and Iran financed terrorist organisations fighting proxy wars of Shia and Sunni Islam on our poor little territory, we are grateful that 15,000 of these scum’s have been eliminated, they killed and targeted 52 Doctors in last 12 months in Karachi alone, OBL elimination is a elimination of a network that had its tentacles deep in Islamic societies. Bloodsucking criminals cannot be dealt but with long arms of fearsome law, it is difficult but in war some omissions have to be made. As a Pakistani I understand the consequences of being a victim of a 'broad brush' campaign but I would rather face difficulties now and try to make sure that my children may live in a society where their very genetics may not raise tempers. OBL excatly did that he introduced a bigger 'unknown' in the equation of hate, that of 'genetic ideological hatred.'

We as potential targets and victims need to understnad that this is what we wrought on our heads, we cannot live without US and its products but in same vien hate her freedom and development. I see no justification or moral equivalence of what happened but without this solid action we will let these Mongols rule us. I would have to understand that, my children have to understand that, OBL destroyed that bridge of understanding that humanity had painstakingly build over 5000 years. The progress from our old civilisations and lesson of history are all wasted, at this juncture sometime some innocents may suffer but such is ferocity and heat that we need to comprehend that.

As the United States-led military campaign against Afghanistan based terrorism enters into a decisive phase, Pakistani law enforcement officials have happily received reports that many of Pakistan's most wanted terrorists have either been killed or have resolved to fight till death to preserve Taleban regime in Afghanistan.

Officials suspect that Pakistanís most wanted man Riaz Basra, the head of Lashkare Jhangvi is also one of the militants now trapped in Afghanistan. The Government of Pakistan has offered head money of up to Rs. 10 million for any information on Basra or on any of his two dozen most wanted associates. President Gen. Pervez Musharraf had banned Lashkare Jhangvi and Sipahe Mohammad, organizations on August 14 this year.

Pakistani intelligence agencies had substantial evidence to report that the radical sectarian organisations such as Lashkare Jhangvi involved in the targeted murder of Shias in Pakistan were operating from Afghanistan, where they had substantial facilities and finances to train their recruits in guerrilla activities.

Pakistani intelligence agencies estimate that roughly 8000 Pakistani jihadis, mostly from the tribal areas of the NWFP, are presently facing death either in the prison camps of Northern Alliance or in the besieged city of Kandahar. Officials said that some 2000 families have reported their male members missing in the NWFP and Balochistan in the last one month alone. Senior police and intelligence officials in Karachi, Peshawar and Quetta have said that no significant case of sectarian terrorism was reported anywhere in Pakistan in the last two months as the US led campaign completely dismantled the state sponsored facilities that were available to Pakistani sectarian terrorists in Afghanistan.

"At every level of the government we used to plead with Taliban not to provide shelter to Pakistani terrorists involved in the murder of dozens of innocent people in their own country," recalled a serving inspector general of police, asking not to be named.

Twice since the Taliban take-over of Afghanistan two successive heads of the ISI Lt. Gen. Ziauddin and Lt. Gen. Mahmoud Ahmed had made direct requests with Mullah Omar to let his Arab guests surrender Pakistani terrorists who were openly enjoying the Afghan and Arab hospitality at various locations in Afghanistan.

"The top Taliban leaders contemptuously rejected all such Pakistani requests by demanding the arrest and extradition of all non-Taliban Afghans in Pakistan, "one Pakistani official said. In ten years between 1991 and 2001 at least 1865 Shias and 810 Sunnis were killed all across Pakistan in cases of sectarian terrorism during which devotees were often ambushed, by the gunmen from opposite groups, while praying in mosques and Imambargahs, according to the figures compiled recently by an intelligence service.

Questioning with the terrorists involved in these incidents had established beyond doubt, senior officials said, that the radical Sunni activists were using Afghanistan as base for their terrorist operations in Pakistan, while the Shia radical were found to have deep ties with various individuals and groups in Iran. "I was so lucky that Arabs had assigned me guard duties at their camps," informed Mir Badshah, a Lashkare Jhangi activist arrested in Karachi early this year for his alleged involvement in the murder of Shia doctors in Karachi. Since May 1995, according to the Pakistan Medical Association (PMA), 59 Shia doctors have been killed in targeted shooting in Karachi alone.

"My Arab instructors in Afghanistan inculcated the importance of anti-Shia jihad in me," Mir Badshah told his interrogators. Shah was one of the eight Lashkar activists arrested this year for their involvement in Shia specific murders in Karachi.

"Their participation in Afghan jihad and connections with Afghanistan based Arabs was the common factor in all those arrested terrorists," said a senior Karachi police officer, who hoped that destruction of terror sanctuaries in Afghanistan would help improve the law and order situation in Pakistan.

"Some times it looked as if the Taliban wanted to scare Shias and moderate Sunnis out of Pakistan to create conducive atmosphere for the Talibanization of Pakistan," the Karachi police official observed.

The connection between the radical anti-Shia organizations of Pakistan and Afghanistan based Arabs was uncovered in 1996 following the arrest of Ahmed Yusuf Ramzi, the famous Yemeni terrorist convicted recently for masterminding the first bombing of the World Trade Centre in New York in 1993.

Karachi police investigation in 1996 had revealed that Ramzi, after his escape from New York, was provided shelter in the densely congested neighbourhood of Lyari in Karachi. It was also established that his hiding in Karachi was arranged by a radical anti-Shia religious organization. The arrest of one of Ramziís accomplices identified as Abdul Shakoor had disclosed that a non-Wahabi moderate Sunni leader Salim Qadri was on the hit list of Ramzi during his stay in Karachi. Ramzi had masterminded Salim Qadriís murder, but the plot was aborted after Ramziís arrest by the FBI in Islamabad in 1996.

Almost five years later Salim Qadri was killed along with his son on a busy Karachi street in May this year. Karachi police officials have suspected that Qadri was assassinated by an organization with deep links in Afghanistan. Such was terrorist mastermind Yusuf Ramziís influence over the member of the radical anti-Shia organization in Karachi that one of its leaders took replaced his own sir name with that of Ramzi. Karachi police officials said that Asif Ramzi of Lashkare Jhangvi is wanted for his involvement in the murder of dozens of Shias in Karachi.

Senior Pakistani intelligence officials suspect that the same Pakistani and Afghanistan based Arab nexus was responsible for the still unresolved assassination of four US nationals, working for the Union Texas Oil company, in Karachi in November 1997. The four Americans had been ambushed during morning rush hour in down town Karachi only two days after a US court in Virginia County passed death sentence against Aimal Kansi, a Pakistani from Quetta, for killing two CIA employees outside the agencyís headquarters in Langley in 1993. Same elements were suspected to be involved in the murder of five Iranian Air Force technicians in Rawalpindi in September 1997. The hit-and-run murders of Iranian technicians and American auditors provided clues that both operations had been directed from Afghanistan, but the Taliban administration refused to provide essential information from Kandahar and Kabul.

Not all anti-US terrorist operations in Pakistan have their roots in Afghanistan as it was discovered last year that the activists of a hardcore anti-Sunni organization had launched the rockets that were fired in the direction of the US and UN mission in Islamabad in January 2000.

An Islamabad police investigation, in active FBI collaboration, had discovered that the rocket attack was actually planned by some Iranian citizens in Tehran, who later used the elements in this anti-Sunni organization to execute the operation.

Police and Intelligence sources are now getting the impression that it seemed that Al-Qaeda activists, on the run from Sudan and other places in 1996, were first provided sanctuaries by the elements associated with radical anti-Shia groups in Pakistan.

Although the Karachi police and the federal intelligence agencies never bothered to complete their investigation though it seemed that Al-Qaeda had first established its front business organization in Karachi.

These investigations went astray after the federal intelligence agents failed trace one Munir Madni, a suspected Saudi national and a resident of Bahadarabad in Karachi in 1996. Evidence confirmed that Ramzi Ahmed Yusuf through Munir Madni had established a front import-export company that used to get multi-million rupees gift of "Aabe Zam Zam" from Saudi Arabia. At one point in 1997 the same front company generated about Rs 7 million by selling the Holy Water. The money was later gifted by Ramzi Yusuf to finance Saudi extremist groups, according to a Pakistani employee of that company.

Pakistani officials are now hoping that with the dismantling of terrorist sanctuaries in Afghan, there would be significant decline in the cases of sectarian terrorism with a visible improvement in the law and order situation in Pakistan.