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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: rich4eagle who wrote (205228)	11/28/2001 11:16:37 AM
From: Tadsamillionaire	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

I am with you on that! we need to get everyone off their back side to promote the freedoms we enjoy, and support constitution.

To: rich4eagle who wrote (205228)	11/28/2001 1:44:22 PM
From: Neeka	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

So let me get this straight. When I read your post my first thought was that you are afraid of the Constitution of the US? Or are you afraid that the Constitution of the US will not protect certain freedoms which you have not described? Help me out on this one rich4eagle. M my concern today is that the biggest threat to freedom in US is the US.

To: rich4eagle who wrote (205228)	11/28/2001 2:14:42 PM
From: goldworldnet	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

Who gave your rights away? By Harry Browne © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com Tuesday, November 27, 2001 < Mr. Browne goes further than I would, but has a valid perspective..... -josh > Many conservatives, liberals and libertarians are protesting the numerous invasions of your liberty that Congress and the Bush administration have imposed during the past two months. But without realizing it, many of the protestors brought these invasions on themselves. This is America? I do share their concerns, however. First, Congress rammed through an "anti-terrorism" bill that violates the civil liberties of all Americans, not just terrorists. The new law allows federal officials to search your home when you're not present and not even tell you your home has been searched. You could come home one day and find your computer, file cabinets and legal papers have disappeared. You'd naturally think it was a burglary, but the burglars would be government employees (shades of Watergate). Warrants can be issued in secret, and you may not be allowed to see a warrant – or contest it – covering a search of your property. This is America? Government officials can go into any company anywhere and search records of your purchases and credit history, discover the websites you've visited, or monitor your e-mail – without evidence of a crime and without telling you, and they can order the companies not to tell you about the search. Then the Bush administration, apparently invoking the divine right of kings, decided that people can be tried and executed by secret courts (using secret evidence not available for you to refute), that government agents can eavesdrop on attorney-client conversations, and that federal agents can conduct searches without judicial oversight. This is America? And understand that the so-called "War on Terrorism" is only two months old. This is just the beginning. What's still to come? In previous wars, citizens were imprisoned for speaking out against the government, newspapers were closed for protesting the war, private publications were censored, and people of foreign ancestry were put in concentration camps. We have a lot to look forward to. Don't be deceived! The press implies that the new civil-liberties invasions will apply only to terrorists. Not true. They apply to you, because anyone can be suspected of being a terrorist – including you. In fact, the new definition of "suspected terrorist" includes people speaking out against government policies. And if law-enforcement officials are to decide whose civil liberties will be denied, one of them may become convinced you're connected to the terrorists in some way, try you in a secret court, sentence you, imprison you and even execute you – with no opportunity for you to appeal the verdict or your sentence. This is America? An administration official told The Washington Post "The U.S. Constitution doesn't protect anyone hiding and planning acts of violence." But what he meant was, "The U.S. Constitution doesn't protect anyone we suspect of hiding and planning acts of violence." They don't know who's actually guilty until after a civil, public trial – conducted with all the traditional rules of evidence. What they have arrogated to themselves is the power to decide whether or not you will be protected by the Constitution. This is America? If you're not frightened by this, you're simply not paying attention. Won't be limited to a few people Have you been told that some of these invasions apply only to aliens – or some other small group of people? Don't be reassured. When has any invasion of liberty not been expanded to cover all people eventually? The clearly unconstitutional RICO laws were supposed to apply only to organized crime – but hardly a single Mafia kingpin has been prosecuted using RICO, while abortion protestors and stockbrokers have been jailed by these laws. The clearly unconstitutional asset-forfeiture laws were only to nab big-time drug dealers, but all across America the property of innocent people has been seized. It's only a matter of time until every new oppression applies to all Americans. Why this happened I said that many of those protesting these invasions brought this on themselves. How? It's very simple. Attorney General John Ashcroft justified the unconstitutional police-state tactics by saying, "I think it's important to understand that we are at war now." And there you have it. As Randolph Bourne said, "War is the health of the state." Once you grant the government war-making powers, you grant the politicians the power to do anything they want. After all, you can't put your own personal liberty ahead of the good of the Fatherland, can you? Congress didn't declare war. There were none of the usual pre-war negotiations to try to avoid going to war. We're not even at war with any specific nation. But just utter the magic word "war" and all your rights can be stolen from you. So if you hollered for war, you hollered to have your rights taken away from you. Who gave your rights away? You did – if you supported the idea that the politicians should be free to do anything they want to satisfy a national lust for revenge. Isn't it time to start taking back your liberty? worldnetdaily.com * * *

To: rich4eagle who wrote (205228)	11/28/2001 3:49:41 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Respond to of 769670

dear dear richie, freedom is what belongs to individuals. A person should be free from those like you who lie about them. You hide behind a handle and make lying posts dozens of times. Flat out lies and allegations about attacks I've made on you. To you it seems that freedom is the right to lie about another and accuse that person a real person who speaks in the open with his real name of attacking you, sexually harassing you. These accusations are are all false. They are lies by you. Your are the ignorance of facts, process, common sense common decency. The words, the lies you have spread here cannot be taken back. So every time you act and speak and attempt to show you are some kind of upstanding guy, I will frame the context of who you really are. History repeats itself. Who you are, the tenor of your words show an adult with the emotional control of a 2 year old. Everything I post about you will be your words, your posts. These will not be attacks. This will be truth in who your are and what you do and how obscenely or foolishly you conduct yourself. Your words, your thoughts do express who you are. Your posts, your words have raped decency, honor and civility and you wish to claim it was self defense, you were the innocent victim of attacks. mr. bill raped a woman and now claims it was consensual. mr. bill is pig vomit and you and mr. bill have acted in morally equivalent ways and words. Coward is the word you used to describe yourself. Well that admission by you is the slightest glimmer that maybe there is enough ridicule in the world to make one into a man. But now you say that you were just really insulting me so you may be a really damaged piece of goods beyond repair. Well the future will tell. So richie, in my ever generous nature I am going to continue to show you how to be a man and not a wimp. I am going to continue to illustrate your mistakes, your false claims, your false logic, your false allegations as the mood moves me. I like having a pet project. One cannot be admitted to the ranks of honest and honorable men until one confesses and renounces fully and clearly. On the current scale of justice I'd say your down about 5000 sorries and a mountain of eating crow. you all have a nice day now hear. SGI at 2.34, a 5 mil special contract, I'm having a very good day. tom watson tosiwmeee