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To: Mark Adams who wrote (11531)	11/28/2001 6:49:49 PM
From: Moominoid	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

I like having a nice apartment to live in in a nice place (but rent - live right in the centre of the city here, everything is walkable). Decent food to eat, warmth, clean clothes, showers etc apart from those basics I spend more on services, like travel and communications. The most expensive single thing as opposed to service I've ever bought is this computer - it cost $US1300 five years ago. I've upgraded it a little at a time since. The same with my road bicycle which I bought 15 years ago and upgraded...

To: Mark Adams who wrote (11531)	11/28/2001 8:21:52 PM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

Let me translate stuff: I used the term stuff very very liberally when I mentioned in my posting talking about a child growing up. It can be very basic good stuff: Like using a proper toilete. Like having hygiene habits and proper food. Like being treat well since your parents are educated. It can be higher scale stuff: Like riding at back seat of car. Like being educated since an early age. Live in a good, safe neighborhood. Now it can be even higher good stuff: Like having swimming lessons. It own bedroom and plenty toys to exercise your abilities. Like learning a second language at early age. If you think positively about that, you may end up in the next generation not accepting less than yourself had for your own kids. I barely had the basic stuff when I was a kid. But poverty stops here. I won't pass it to the next generation.

To: Mark Adams who wrote (11531)	11/28/2001 10:26:56 PM
From: LLCF	Respond to of 74559

<stuff... > I think it was Grace [have to bring this up because I so rarely agree with her] that brought up how entrepeneurs typically have gone into bankrupcy [failed], perhaps even several times before becoming successful. IMO often these people are able to do this because they aren't married to their 'stuff' so to speak... they live in the moment... it is the process, not the outcome that makes them happy. People 'clutching' stuff, can't bear to take such chances. dAK