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To: Petz who wrote (64537)	11/29/2001 12:26:48 AM
From: ptanner	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

Jim, Thanks for system testing suggestions. I downloaded the memtest86 v28 but then had to laugh when it wanted a floppy disk to install on... this system has never had a floppy drive so I will need to go borrow one from another system. <g> I was unable to locate super-pi at downloads.com or zdnet. I found a web site that had a couple of pi calculating programs but they don't seem able to trip up a system crash. I agree with the potential problems from inadequate cooling and the perils of dust balls. The system is relatively clean and the socket temps reported are in line with those from this summer (lower due to non-overclocked and lower environmental temps). Will keep working forward and try the memtest86 after I secure the FDD. Thanks, -PT

To: Petz who wrote (64537)	11/29/2001 2:11:44 PM
From: fyodor_	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 275872

Petz: As for cooling, problems can occur even on a lowly system, like my son's 650 MHz Duron PC. It was booting successfully only every 3rd time it was turned on and I thought the venerable FIC-11 motherboard was dying. But after blowing the wads of dust out of the heatsink, it ran like new again. Anyone know if VIA's new 1GHz+ enhanced C3 processors require a fan? I'm actually considering buying one, possibly a PC with VIA's new Mini-iTX specification. Sure, it won't be an extremely powerful PC, but there are several very appealing properties: low noise, integrated Disk on Chip storage (8-32MB flash), integrated ethernet+sound+graphics+TVout, fanless power supply (50W!) and an extremely small form factor (170mm x 170mm ~ 6.7" x 6.7"). The only thing I really lack is TV-In and somewhat better graphics (I'm assuming the integrated VIA graphics aren't going to be up to GF2MX200 levels, much less anything more current). I'm also somewhat apprehensive about the sound&#133 I would really like 5.1 (Dolby Surround) w. SPDIF out, but I'm afraid they'll only offer the standard AC'95 or whatever it's called, which is really quite bad. I also don't know when systems based on the standard are expected to ship&#133 Btw, Crush12 motherboards have started to become available here in Denmark. They are priced just a tad (~5%) higher than i850 motherboards (from the same company). -fyo