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To: DavesM who wrote (205761)	11/30/2001 5:44:53 PM
From: J_F_Shepard	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

re: The reason why more of our bright science and engineering students don't go to grad school, IMHO is that someone with a BS in Engineering can make a good salary. Certainly more than a post doc doing research Your answer reminds me of the typical American parent's acceptance of a B grade as very good.....that is not the case with Asian families living here.....only an A is acceptable. In our local high schools the valedictorian an salutatorians are almost always of Asian heritage.... A BS in engineering is probably starting at 45-50K tops....A PhD starts at about 75-85K. A post doc gets about 35K. re:Most undergraduate engineering programs are not easy, so when many engineers get their degrees, they decide to take a break and get a job. That break usually turns out to be for a lifetime....very few start again and go higher. If they were really smart they would stay for the higher degrees. In the high tech industry, eg semiconductors, a BS is hired as a technician in most of the top companies. The PhD's are heavily recruited because of their theoretical and lab strengths. Their theses are generally on a topic of interest to the employer. PhD's are the folks most likely (not guaranteed) to succeed in the engineering ranks and become higher level engineers, managers, and execs. re:Finially, many Engineering jobs require Citizenship, which encourages foreign students to stay in school. Not true....in many cases green cards are required but with the shortage of PhD's I believe that is often being waived or the company hiring them helps get the green card. Silicon Valley companies successfully lobbied Bush to increase the number of such immigrants by 150,000 this year. And btw, the foreign students, eg from China, may wait years to get a student visa, take their entrance test in English which they do not speak, get accepted to grad school with an assistantship and wind up "trying" to teach undergrads in lab courses. They are highly motivated and will work 18 hour days including weekends to get their degrees.....