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To: dvdw© who wrote (12094)11/30/2001 10:54:38 AM
From: FaultLine  Respond to of 281500
 
The Left Has a record, these folks never waver from their internal mission to weaken America making it possible for them to step in a make new rules for the rest of us.

you besmirch millions of great Americans with lies like this. Please PM me concerning your future participation on this forum..

--FaultLine



To: dvdw© who wrote (12094)11/30/2001 11:46:44 AM
From: JohnM  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
The Left Has a record, these folks never waver from their internal mission to weaken America making it possible for them to step in a make new rules for the rest of us.

Genuinely ugly. I hope it's just because you're having a bad day.

John



To: dvdw© who wrote (12094)11/30/2001 2:59:12 PM
From: ThirdEye  Respond to of 281500
 
OOT::Geraldo is a militant right winger now

I think it would be more accurate to call Geraldo a militant now, rather than a militant right-winger. Supporting the conduct of the "War on Terrorism" is not the same as supporting the entire Bush program. In any case, he is an opportunistic self-promoter, also intelligent, glib, skilled in reporting and does his homework.



To: dvdw© who wrote (12094)11/30/2001 9:03:45 PM
From: frankw1900  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Righton,dvdw!The Left Has a record, these folks never waver from their internal mission to weaken America making it
possible for them to step in a make new rules for the rest of us.


I don't have much time so this is going to be messy. I'm re-posting something I wrote in a different context but is relevant here.

To:ahhaha who wrote (3313)
From: frankw1900
Monday, Oct 29, 2001 9:51 PM
View Replies (1) | Respond to of 3731

Socialists are control freaks because they're convinced the capitalist pigs will destroy the
country to get more money.

No! Their agenda is far more base and subtle. They want to turn you, me, and everyone
else, into "clients", just like a welfare mom.

I spent a lot of time with socialists.

It's personal. It's power. They want to run our lives. They don't want to protect us,
they want to run us.

They don't give a damn about the capitalist 'agenda', supposing there was one (there
isn't). They'll get in bed with capitalists anytime, so long as they can control our lives.
(That's the trade off unwary capitalists make).

They want to do this because it lets them feel good. They have hubris. They are not
reflective, they don't look inside themselves: they don't see they are servants of emotion
and that all emotions are ambiguous: emotions can attach themselves to any idea. We're
all vulnerable -perfectly sensible ten to twenty year olds can be turned into monsters-
anger and lust are energizing, and attached to perfectly stupid ideas give these ideas
amazing persistence.

Exercising power is pleasurable. It masks what ails us. It places our ills in others. It
narrows vision. That's the dirty secret of socialism. (But obviously anyone can make this
mistake).

It's the moral error of the easy metaphysical way. (A trivial error of the same sort is
made by the person who suddenly gets snuggled up to a couple of hundred million
dollars. Instead of being cautioned by responsibility, he suddenly thinks he's twice as
intelligent as when he was poor. Compulsive shopping is another).

Instead of guns and planes and germs and a theological social agenda, socialists use
paper and a plain Jane social agenda - these days. But when the chips are down and the
means available - poof! six million kulaks and another six million Jews and Gyppos and
uncountable Chinese. Gone. Like magic.

Perfectly stupid ideas will persist until they are totally defeated as happened in Germany
and Japan when they vanished in exhaustion - enough of the emotion bled from the
idea.

I'm not going over the top. Another example. Years ago I talked to a lady who lived less
than five kilometers down wind from a WW2 death camp. She was a perfectly normal
teenager at the time, as far as I can tell. She told me they had no idea what was going
on there. How could she say this? The stink, the smoke, the trains and trucks, the
personnel from the camp - this was countryside; no secrets there, you'd think. Horror
and awe would not let her see it.

Socialists and religionists both see money as an enemy. It's more fun and more useful
than their ideas. While we chase the mild, limited, extremely subtle, and often false,
promise of money we're not paying attention to their message. We're not cooperative.
They don't like that.

How do we inoculate against emotions being captured by perfectly stupid ideas?

They are perfectly stupid, aren't they?

Playfullness, humour, delight, gusto, pain - lots of pain, tragedy. A perfectly stupid idea
will always have a wretched premise. Ten to twenty year olds are so vulnerable to bad
ideas because their playfulness is mainly physical, their humour is not yet well
developed, and they are roiled by hormones and emotion. It doesn't come naturally to
most children (or adults) to take an idea, turn it upside down, whack it around, see what
falls out, pin the bits down and see what they're made of. Once you show them and they
get the hang of it, they find it's fun, until they dissect a sacred cow.

It's a tight wire act, tricky - no security.

(Mostly, and unfortunately, we leave it to artists, poets, scientists and philosophers to do
this and who do the repressive regimes either kill or kidnap, first? And the 'art' these
regimes produce! Mediocre, at best. Or, they ban singing, dancing, fornication and art.)

It's personal. It's power they want over us. Even to kill us. They are that deficient.
Present day socialists are different only in degree, not kind, from those people we are
fighting now.

Evil people have attached young folks' emotions of anger, lust, horror, and awe, to
perfectly stupid ideas and we are going to have to kill a lot of them. And they may well
kill a lot of us. We will have to persist until exhaustion bleeds emotion from the idea. (end quote)

.The logical way of taking up the present situation is destroy the Taleban thoroughly. Put in a LARGE peace keeping force. Set up an interim government, get the folk there to write a democratic constitution, (shouldn't take too long - how long did it take to write the US constitution?) and have elections in a year or two. Pile in lots of infra structure aid. Lots of food this year. The Afghans will do fine.

And tell the Pakis and Iranians to keep their hands off. The Russiands will go for it. They want some peace and quiet. As do the Chinese and Indians. The Iranians are ambivalent but if the deluge of drugs running through their country were suppressed they'd go for it.

This all hinges on destroying the Taleban thoroughly. The Kleptocrats would go for it if they saw they were going stay rich and get richer and if they fuss too much they might get dead, instead (politer than that).

Then talk turkey to the Saudis.

I don't have time for more, right now..