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To: Neocon who wrote (8033)12/1/2001 9:01:23 AM
From: jttmab  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 93284
 
However, Harvard's Laurence Tribe, a leading liberal professor of constitutional law, tells the New York Times, "Civil liberties is not only about protecting us from our government. It is also about protecting our lives from terrorism."

I have a difficult time with the sentence It [Civil liberties] is also about protecting our lives from terrorism." Would you care to take a crack at expanding on the point?

Posner says that in balancing liberty and security considerations, we should remember that the constitutional language conferring rights such as "due process" is vague. Such language has acquired its content incrementally, over many years, from judicial interpretations, mostly made in the context of the normal problems of criminal law -- maintaining domestic tranquility by deterring, punishing and correcting disorderly individuals.

But such interpretations cannot be applied, unamended, to the problem of protecting society against a large foreign-based conspiracy to commit mass murder repeatedly. The aim here is not deterrence or rehabilitation but security and victory.


I'll imagine that there were similar words that were bantored about that allowed the internment of Japanese Americans. The devil is in the details.

Hence military tribunals. They need not have juries. They can be secret. They can admit evidence gathered without Fourth Amendment constraints and without compromising the intelligence means and methods by which the evidence was obtained. They can convict without unanimous votes.

A description of a system of justice that the US has consistently claimed to be unacceptable...when other countries use it.

And such tribunals are implemented under provisions of the Uniform Code of Military Justice enacted by Congress.

If I believed that was a true statement, I probably wouldn't even grumble, but I believe that to be a false statement. e.g., The UCMJ already has established rules of evidence, under the particular EO, the SecDef will develop rules of evidence.

jttmab