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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (41843)12/1/2001 12:15:33 AM
From: Rollcast...  Respond to of 50167
 
<In France it is Partridge & Pheasant. Partridge, in the crops from October to late November. Pheasant in the woods from early November to January.The usual regions is the Normandy / Vexin 1h.30 west from Paris.>

Nothing like a good late fall pheasant hunt. Been out to our club the last three weekends. Very spiritual experience if the scenery is right. I'll assume in the North of France scenery is never a problem.

Good luck and be well.



To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (41843)12/1/2001 9:32:13 AM
From: HH  Respond to of 50167
 
'In France it is Partridge & Pheasant'.....
no tableau de chasse is complete without at least one Becasse.

HH



To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (41843)12/1/2001 10:55:10 AM
From: b-witch  Respond to of 50167
 
from American Under Seige thread:

From: lorne Friday, Nov 30, 2001 10:16 PM
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Pakistan to shut Muslim seminaries.
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Nov. 29 (UPI) -- Pakistan has decided to close down hundreds of Muslim seminaries that provide military training to their students.
" The ministry estimates between 25,000-35,000 madrisas exist in the country. Most of them are funded by rich Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia and teach an orthodox version of Islam."
Full story >>>
dailyhotnews.com



To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (41843)12/2/2001 11:07:22 AM
From: James Strauss  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 50167
 
Ike:
From the NY Times...
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December 2, 2001
How Islam and Politics Mixed
nytimes.com
By SAAD MEHIO

[B] EIRUT, Lebanon— So what comes after the Taliban and Osama bin Laden are finished? Probably more Talibans and new Osama bin Ladens. This is the sad and shocking reality that we must confront. It will happen apart from all the fanfare surrounding America's military triumph in Afghanistan and all the other achievements of this so- called war on terror. Why? Because the Taliban and Mr. bin Laden are not isolated cases but manifestations of a complex, and potentially durable, sociopolitical phenomenon.

Basically, this phenomenon involves the immoral, unscrupulous and irreligious exploitation of Islam as a political weapon — by everyone. The West, the United States, Arab and other Muslim tyrannies have all used the weapon of Islam. And all are paying their different prices for it.

During the cold war it was easy, and easily justified on pragmatic grounds, to enlist the help of political Islam in the fight against Communism. Yet this enlistment of Islam, which helped hammer the final nails in the coffin of Communism by defeating the Red Army in Afghanistan, led to catastrophe — first for the Middle East and later for America, as was so shockingly brought home by the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and Washington.

The policy of using political Islam as an anti-Communist tool was a crucial reason why so much of the Muslim world came to be dominated by stagnant, undemocratic but stable (so it seemed) and adequately pro-Western governments, on one hand, and the traditional forces of political Islam, reconfigured for the latter half of the 20th century, on the other. The crowning achievement of such a policy was the defeat of the modernizing alternative: those movements that hoped to avoid aligning with either the Soviet Union or the United States; to develop their societies along secular lines by, ideally, ever more democratic means; and to substitute nationalism for colonial humility and Islamic traditionalism. Such movements were sometimes called Nasserite, after President Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. He struggled against the Muslim Brotherhood for most of his political life.

The Nasserite space has been shrinking over the three decades since his death. The alliance between Western democracies and local despots, whether Saudi royals or Saddam Hussein in his early years, had two results: the destruction of democratic openness in the Arab world and the obliteration of any chance for a liberal Arab nationalist movement that could act as a bridge to the modern world. State power may have been, in most cases, secular, but political hope and political mobility were left in the hands of God's representatives.

After the cold war ended in 1989, and while the rest of the world was gearing up to join the march of globalization and making great strides toward democracy, liberty and human rights, the Middle East looked like a bombed-out city. More political oppression, more intellectual and cultural stagnation, more economic and social despair — and an ideological void that only the fundamentalists were able or were permitted to fill, under the demagogic banner of protecting identity and character.

Political exploitation of Islam continued, but the enemy became simply Muslim peoples themselves. This was exemplified in the financing (with petrodollars) of some 7,500 religious schools in Pakistan, India and the Arab world, schools that taught only isolationism, backwardness and hostility. Arab and other Muslim tyrannies sought, by leaving the educational and cultural fields to Islamism, to acquire legitimacy at the cheapest and most opportunistic price: by keeping the masses ignorant and preventing them from improving their lot, politically and economically. Better to direct their hopes toward the hereafter.

Where was America then? Where was the West? Cavorting with tyrants on the sunny beaches of the Mediterranean. So long as the oil flowed at a good price, petrodollars were recycled in the West's arms factories and Israel was in no real danger, there was no reason to interfere in what America's moderate or even immoderate allies were doing to their own peoples.

Sept. 11 changed all that. The United States lost its sovereignty. Suddenly security in the streets of Washington, New York, Boston and Los Angeles was inextricably linked to the curriculums of schools in Peshawar, Mazar-i- Sharif, Cairo, Algiers and Deoband.

And just as suddenly, the regional system that Washington had nurtured during the cold war, then left to its own devices after 1989, was seen to have turned into a hatchery for human missiles and suicidal rage directed against the United States itself.

Now we have a world war on terror. This war is already yielding results: the prehistoric Taliban regime is all but finished, the financial lifelines to fundamentalist extremist networks have been severed, Mr. bin Laden is on the run.

Winning a war, however, does not mean winning the peace. This war can, in truth, be won only by winning hearts and minds. This can be achieved only by correcting the historical mistakes made by the West, including the United States, in undercutting the modernizing forces of pan- Arabism — and by correcting the spectacularly misguided choices made by Arab elites in their use of power and of politicized Islam as a way to keep it.

Benjamin Barber, author of "Jihad vs. McWorld," wrote recently, "In the long run, war cannot defeat terror alone because violence cannot defeat fear: only democracy can do that." Secretary of State Colin Powell seems to view matters in a similar light. In his speech of Nov. 19, which received careful attention in Muslim countries, Secretary Powell articulated his vision of a Middle East in which "all people have jobs that let them put bread on their tables and a roof over their head and offer a decent education to their children."

"We have a vision of a region where all people worship god in a spirit of tolerance and understanding," Secretary Powell continued. "And we have a vision where respect for the sanctity of the individual, the rule of law and the politics of participation grow stronger and stronger."

For now these are just promises. It is extremely hard not to question the likelihood of their fulfillment. For much of the 20th century, excessive American pragmatism tended to stress short-term interests, which often were served by tyrants like Saddam Hussein at the expense of the future of Arabs.

Nevertheless, Secretary Powell's promises alone may widen the chasm between the United States and its regional allies, and that is to the good. Americans seem to be realizing that having undemocratic allies — ones who manipulate political Islam for their narrow purposes — has been a pennywise policy, at best. The stress Colin Powell put on respect, dignity and the rejection of humiliation widens this chasm still further, for personal dignity is about the last thing Arab rulers have allowed to Arab citizens. Secretary Powell's emphasis makes the issues clear; it shows that the solutions adopted in ignorance by all sides, including America, have not worked. The Arab and Muslim worlds may yet sign on to modernity and globalization — because they and the West may come to realize there is no other choice.

Through this window of hope, it may be possible to see that the self-inflicted injuries in the Arab and Muslim soul can indeed heal. But until these promises and visions reach fulfillment, the passions, fears and hatreds of the Taliban and Osama bin Laden will remain alive among us.

Saad Mehio is a regular contributor to The Daily Star in Lebanon and Al Khaleej in the United Arab Emirates.

Jim



To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (41843)12/2/2001 7:26:35 PM
From: Snowshoe  Respond to of 50167
 
Pheasants are beautiful birds, and I vividly recall the day I got my first rooster in a patch of woods on the edge of a cornfield. I also spent many a happy day in my youth hunting ducks over decoys. I rarely go hunting these days, but when I do I go for ptarmigan and snowshoe hare.



To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (41843)12/4/2001 1:43:19 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 50167
 
One more evil out, serious injuries reported...Egyptian Ayman al-Zawahiri, considered Osama bin Laden's deputy, was injured Monday in an American air raid, reports said quoting Pashtun commanders here Tuesday. The only way to handle terror is return in kind, wishy washy, Clinton style techniques bring havoc on mankind, these animals have no rules, they piss on human social contract based on 'live and let live' to expect them to behave and give them a CHANCE TO plan destruction based on self consummation is no heroics it is cowardice and denial of basic human covenant with our creator, that of respect for every life and to treat our own as a gift of God. Those who forget that their own is a ‘gift of our creator’ will not respect others with respect. Once life becomes a commodity to be shorted what kind of constitution can assure billions who want to live with basic respect to dignity of living? When daily living becomes a burning desire to become a ‘human bomb’ to exterminate, we as humanity are at dead end. Indiscriminate killings has to condemned, we are dealing with people who love indiscriminate killings as a way of life. Our present social contracts fail to dela with them, that is my honest opinion, which ever way you look at it, you need a social contract based on respect of
life but when that basic respect is gone we have to find new ways to deal with scavengers of the world.

Either mankind has to face these animals to retaliate with the same kind of rules ruthlessness they have created or allow them to rule us, I refuse to live under this terror, give them the taste of what they desire for others. Constitution is a scared document for people who want to lay within a set of goal posts that has been pre-determined, her we are facing a inferior enemy ready to nuke cities if they have one, have respect of life of civilian, a child or a women, if we are going to search for ‘rights’ to be protected, we may find ourselves with no right to live.