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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (12227)	12/1/2001 1:24:19 AM
From: MSI	Respond to of 281500

>"OBL isn't in it for the money. That removes most of the bait our side has to offer. " We haff ways ... I doubt he's able to resist interrogation

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (12227)	12/1/2001 2:24:17 AM
From: axial	Respond to of 281500

"OBL won't be allowed to make clear to the American public the actual nature of power politics as it is played out at the highest levels." Too bad he won't be allowed...he would then be the Saviour of the American people, in addition to being the Saviour of Islam... A shame so many people misunderstand the benefits that bin Laden has brought. Why if it wasn't for OBL, people would still think that there really are people in government, fighting terrorism, who care about the people they are entrusted with protecting. But now we know: it's just a secret plot to plunder the people, and deprive them of their civil rights. At last, we get it - the real enemy isn't OBL and his ilk - it's the government. Perhaps a bronze statue at the WTC to commemorate OBL's contribution to our understanding? A few TerrorAid concerts to help those poor persecuted devils, victims of a demented democracy? And while we're at it, let's spring all those suspected terrorists from jail, apologize profusely, stamp their multiple passports, and set them free to exercise their democratic right to kill people, by the thousands if necessary, but by the millions if possible. "Healthy" scepticism? Right.

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (12227)	12/1/2001 12:53:53 PM
From: MSI	Respond to of 281500

Hi Ray, Interrogation works. If possible OBL should be interrogated rather than killed for information about military, financial and political issues of extreme concern to the safety of the American people, but apparently isn't shared among our intel agencies. The NSA has intercepted his communications for the past 4 years, even playing his personal phone calls for entertainment to certain Senators that approve the NSA budget. How much they know isn't released, but interrogation could shed some light on our enemies for the rest of us: - Military: terrorist cells in the United States, where they are, how to contact them, what weapons they have such as chemical, biological, and nuclear. What plans they have yet to try. - Financial: who are the sources of radical muslim, political and military funds inside Saudi, America and elsewhere, and from such activities as opium trade - Political: what are the various motives of contributors and supporters in muslim world, what relationship with political structures in muslim and non-muslim countries One of the reasons for a large force on the ground could be to be sure OBL doesn't surrender, to avoid some kind of deal that permits further talk by this criminal or cohorts. A lot of leaks and hearsay news stories have surfaced claiming he "wants to be killed", and that his lieutenants "have orders to kill him", etc. He's toast, no doubt, but there are no doubt lieutenants with some of this knowledge that can be interrogated. The CIA issued a press release with the name of the recent operative killed for the first time in their history, for PR reasons. This is a mistake. Either this puts the operative's family at clear mortal risk, or they know who and where supposed cells are operating in the US. Last week, any investigation into intelligence failures were eliminated from Congress oversight, probably for years, until the official record can be properly shaped along with the Presidential Papers secrecy act. The intel groups and highest levels of political management in this country are out of control. This stinks. We have a clear enemy attacking us. We also clearly have resistance in our own ranks.