To: Angler who wrote (8053 ) 12/1/2001 8:38:24 AM From: jttmab Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 93284 I like your posts Angler. I would not have anticipated a quote from Shakespeare on this thread, but they are appropriate words. [For some on the thread, we should mention that Shakespeare was not a Saudi Prince in charge of the palace spears, but an English writer of some fame in far parts of the world.]Thinking about it, notice how the two houses of Congress react to all critical issues. The Congress people with only two years of tenure seem to erupt in all kinds of debate and ballywhooing over any issue of national interest. Words fly about like a swarm of bees seeking voter approval. The Senate, on the other hand, seems a more deliberative body viewing the same issues, choosing to move slowly and cautiously in line with their lack of apprehension supported by 6 years in office. It's a great system with constitutional laws to interpret it. I've had the same observation on the Senate and House, though I've wondered whether we can do without the House <LOL> Referring back to matter of Japanese-American internment during WWII. One aspect that is not given enough attention is that the internment was supported, by the people, the Congress and the Courts. Pointedly, the system of checks and balances failed miserably. I can take some small solice in that the pendulum did move back to center eventually. Which may be the very point that you would make. But it isn't wisdom to look back at history so that we can repeat it; it's best to avoid the errors.There's a vast difference between a planned atrocity committed by alien enemies out of uniform upon civilians or our military and criminal attacks deliberately committed upon individuals for monetary gain, impulsive passion, etc. I'll agree with that. But if you're sitting in Sub-Sahara Africa and looking at 5,500 people dying every day from AIDS while the US maintains a position of protecting patents is that a far cry from a criminal atrocity. The military court, therefore, will not sit against American citizens IMO. Look what has happened with Ames and Pollard - American born spies accused and proven agents of foreign governments. Undoubtedly their activities resulted in the death of our own agents in remote places. Under the current circumstances I agree. There was no great loss of life with Ames or Pollard as was the case with the WTCs. There was no psychological motivation to have a tribunal. But the circumstances of WWII allowed everyone to look the other way, it can happen again. An additional aspect of this particular "war" is that is will go on in perpetuity, unlike WWII. The pendulum will find a greater resistance to return to center. We've also spent several decades being critical of other countries using military tribunals as an applied form of justice. I don't expect that to change, but one loses some credibility when your policy is do as I say, not as I do.But I don't like the Government offering bribes either but maybe it's a sad means to an end IMO. Some bribes are better than others. Millions of personnel land mines are not good bribes. Re-building of a devastated infrastructure is a better bribe. jttmab