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To: marcos who wrote (301)	12/1/2001 4:20:58 PM
From: Snowshoe	Respond to of 1293

>>So they will never voluntarily permit a level playing field to occur<< I still don't understand why BC doesn't just level the playing field by opening up the timber sales to public auction. Wouldn't that totally eliminate the basis for the US complaint about Canadian subsidies? What am I missing here?

To: marcos who wrote (301)	12/1/2001 6:52:09 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 1293

Marcos.. Personally, I'm getting sick of debating timber issues with you, since I'm not really interested in the issue. But I'll post my response to your comments on the FADG thread here, and encourage you, and the rest of us, to no longer discuss it there. Message 16732346 You call those fair lumber coalition graph "propaganda". But propaganda is merely a tool used to present the facts as one group wishes to represent them, and unless blatantly misrepresentative, it is not "bad" propaganda based upon lies. If the data the FLC presents is based upon utter falsehood, then I welcome you to present the Canadian side, including all of those "additional costs" you claim that Canadian companies incur above and beyond stumppage fees charged by the government. And tell us how those costs are not also faced by US timber companies. Claiming that the US timber companies are merely "greasing the palms" of DC lobbyists, does not discuss in what manner Canadian timber companies "grease" the palms of politicians in Ottawa (whose primary concern, like their American brethren, is keeping their constituents employed so they will capture their votes). And I certainly don't need to hear any more of your "race-baiting" about poor negroes. It adds nothing to the discussion, and indicates to me that you have difficulty presenting un-emotional facts to support your case. And as we discussed earlier... if Canadian stumppage subsidies are making it possible for Canadian companies to have the latest in equipment, then it's apparent to me that US companies can't afford the same due to the narrower profit margins they have. It hardly seems to make sense that Canadians are being damaged if they can afford the latest equipment, but US companies cannot. It also doesn't make sense that US wouldn't be interested in obtaining the latest automated equipment if they could afford it. They have every interest in automating their process as the Canadians do. Again, if the facts presented by the FLC are false, then please tell in what manner that is the case. Hawk

To: marcos who wrote (301)	12/2/2001 8:40:42 AM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1293

Hi marcos; Re: "... specifically exempt our timber from NAFTA in the fine print, thusly violating its spirit in its letter." How could a document that's supposed 10s of thousands of pages long have a "spirit"? NAFTA was an extraordinarily complex deal cut between nations, it was not a document that was inspired by principles. By the way, you're not winning any converts by talking about "slave holding". If the Canadian government talked like that we'd close the border with you. Do you really want Americans to think that that's what Canadians think of us? Our economy is a hell of a lot less dependent on yours than vice versa. That was my big complaint about it at the time. I'm guessing that in the absence of NAFTA the timber crap would still be going on. By the way, I bought some gorgeous douglas fir 4x10s yesterday. Do you guys cut wood to American dimensions up there? -- Carl