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To: Snowshoe who wrote (12291)	12/1/2001 5:15:42 PM
From: maceng2	Respond to of 281500

But if BC held open auctions for timber, all the myriad factors be automatically figured into the bids You know, I'm also waiting for an answer to your question -g-

To: Snowshoe who wrote (12291)	12/1/2001 5:33:58 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

This is what is going to happen, has been what is going to happen for a long long time now, due to considerable home-grown push to do so, as the slave-state bunch knows full well but would never admit ..... we have a new government in this province, only a few months ago we kicked out the socialists, change is coming, and this attempt by the mafiosos to bankrupt us is not helping that change - anything new becomes perceived as a foreign imposition when it comes with immediate threat to survival The change cannot be instant even in the absence of US government threat - it is a fantastically complex system, full of rights and quotas and entitlements, many of which overlap btw so there is already internal conflict ... also there is the indian land claims issue - about 450% of the land area of the province is claimed by tiny fractions of the population, so much overlapping there too ... i'll make a fuller response to this later on FOs vs Cuddlies - #reply-16732265 ... a number of books have been written on the subject, none of them comprehensive and all together they have not covered it, it is truly byzantine [like land tenure and tax structure systems elsewhere, one hastens to add] Doesn't matter anyway - you are making the mistake of thinking that what the mafiosos say they want is what they want - they mouth the words they do because that is all they think the public will swallow ... that and playing with the numbers in ways they know the man on the street will tend not to check Under it all is the fundamental principle that as a sovereign nation we have the right to organise ourselves as we wish within our own borders, to tell those eastern seaboard slavemasters to just piss off, we are a free people and wish to remain so

To: Snowshoe who wrote (12291)	12/1/2001 5:48:09 PM
From: frankw1900	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>>ignoring any factors not useful to their polemic<< But if BC held open auctions for timber, all the myriad factors be automatically figured into the bids. Why wouldn't this solve the whole US/Canada lumber dispute? Going to an auction system, depending on how it was done, might well lower Canadian producers costs even further and they would continue to eat the US producers' lunch. The US doesn't have enough good product for its needs so Canadian producers have a natural advantage in addition to their greater efficiency, which, by the way, was created by the US barrier making The US lobby will continue to grease palms in the Commerce department and the mess will drag on for at least a hundred years. It won't solve the dispute because the fix is in! The issue is just small enough to run under the radar in the US and large enough to create fury in Canada. Causes unemployment in Canada and higher house prices in the US. Absolutely the worst outcome for every one, except the US crooks, who profit from their Canadian and US victims.