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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (12323)	12/1/2001 7:31:24 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Six killed, 160 wounded in Jerusalem bombing By Etgar Lefkovits and News Agencies JERUSALEM (December 2) - At least six persons were reported killed and some 160 wounded when two Palestinian suicide bombers detonated themselves in the heart of Jerusalem last night close to midnight. The two explosions at the foot of the Rehov Ben-Yehuda pedestrian mall were followed shortly afterward by a car bomb on nearby Rehov Kook, which apparently did not cause many casualties. The mall had been packed with the usual Saturday night crowd of mainly teenagers out for the evening. The bomb scene was gruesome with overturned tables, bloody chairs, and bodies and body parts strewn on the ground, in one of the worst attacks in Jerusalem in months. Police speculated that the number of casualties would probably turn out to be similar to those in the devastating Sbarro pizzeria attack in Jerusalem and the Dolphin discotheque bombing in Tel Aviv several months ago, when a total of 36 were killed. "I was sitting having coffee with my girlfriend," said Gideon, 25, from Jerusalem, "when suddenly we heard an immense explosion. The explosion was followed by yet a second one." Witness Yossi Mizrahi told Reuters: "I saw people without arms. I saw a person with their stomach hanging open. I saw a 10-year-old-boy breathe his last breath. I can't believe anybody would do anything like this." "There were lots of limbs and dead bodies," said Michael Perry, 37, who ran out of a bar on the mall after hearing the back-to-back blasts just before midnight. "I saw three dead and what looked like the remains of the suicide bomber. It was just a lump of something," Perry said. Another bystander, Eli Shetreet, 19, said he saw bodies being hurled in the air. "A lot of people were crying, falling, and there was the smell of burning hair," he said. As police and Magen David Adom officials raced to the scene in downtown Jerusalem and began treating the wounded from the initial bombings, a car bomb went off with a thunderous roar on Rehov Kook, just 40 meters away from the site of the initial attacks. Israel Radio reported that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was considering cutting short his US visit and returning to Israel. Foreign Minister Shimon Peres and Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer conferred immediately after the attack with police Insp.-Gen. Shlomo Aharonishky. Peres updated Sharon on the details of the atrocity. In the minutes after the attack, the scene in downtown Jerusalem looked like a war zone, with scores of ambulances, police vans, and medics trying desperately to treat the wounded, mostly teenagers. "It was just horrendous. I still hear the sound of the explosions in my mind," said Rachel Levinson, 17, of Jerusalem. Police said the car bomb contained several mortar shells. It was not immediately clear how many people were hurt by the car bomb. Half an hour after the attacks, police and border police were evacuating everyone from the downtown area, and streets which had been previously filled with people out for a night's entertainment were almost completely emptied. However, on the ground the bodies of those killed were still in view. The special Hessed Shel Emet squad could be seen collecting body parts at the scene. Police said the bombs the two suicide bombers had carried on their bodies contained screws and nails to add to the carnage. Police warned of other possible car bombs in the area, and worked feverishly to evacuate onlookers from the scene. Cafes and restaurants which had previously been crowded with customers closed down quickly, even as emergency crews raced by to reach the scene of the attacks. Meanwhile, Jaffa Road was a sea of ambulances, their lights flashing as they carried the wounded to nearby Bikur Holim Hospital and the city's other hospitals, where emergency staff raced in to help treat the wounded. Israel blamed Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat for the attack. "As head of the Palestinian Authority, Arafat bears direct responsibility for what happened today in Jerusalem," government spokesman Avi Pazner said. jpost.com

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (12323)	12/1/2001 9:06:57 PM
From: frankw1900	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

If it's discussed here, I hope that I will no longer be involved in it. The issues are far too complex and obscure for any of us to make heads or tails of it. Speak for yourself. You are demonstrably ignorant of economic knowledge. This makes you perhaps fit to discuss military tactics but certainly not its strategy and you are certainly not capable, due to this ignorance, of discussing foreign policy. Fortunately, for you and most of the rest of us, economics is mostly not a matter of rocket science. Get a copy of Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations and read it. He said he wrote it for the country gentleman who was not in a position to know the things the merchants and politicians (well, the merchants anyway), living in the fast moving centres know. There are things you have to know. The text is probably on line but you likely can get a PB copy in a used bookshop for $5.