To: gda who wrote (648 ) 12/2/2001 3:20:13 PM From: uu Respond to of 2926 gda: A few points: 1) You missed my point! I am in the opinion that none of these books were written by God (or at least the one that I believe in)!! They were all written by men for their own self-serving purposes. Quran being probably the worst of them all. With old testament, at least people realized the need for sanitation and hence it was modified to reflect some of the more humanistic values of our civilization. I am not a Christian, but I do believe that the new testament does reflect God's words (the loving peaceful evil-free God that I believe in) - I dont care if it was written by God, or Charlie Chaplin. As long as it does reflect logical existence under the framework of NOTHING BUT love and peace, having Good Thoughts, Good Deeds, and Good Words, (to me) it is God that has spoken those words. With Quran we have a LONG WAY to go - and in fact I believe we are at a dead end since no Muslim is willing to - or dares to - start its sanitation process. 2) We keep coming back to this notion that Quran is justified simply because there are other books that talk in similar language. With all due respect, this is fuzzy logic, and it would be similar to justifying Saddam Hossein simply because there was an evil man named Adolph Hitler! The focus is on Islam. No other small groups of people belonging to a faith have done, or can do, so much damage to the civilized world and humanity as the so called radical Muslims have been doing and will continue to do under the guidance of Quran and Islamic teachings. You may see a psychopath calling himself a Catholic blowing up an abortion clinic killing innocent people. But at the same time you will see a vast majority of Catholics, including the Catholic religious leaders (the bishops, Cardinals and of course the Pope) condemning the action. On the other hand when a psychopath suicide bomber calling himself a Muslim blows himself up in a bus full of people thinking he would go to heaven and be given 72 virgins to play with, do you hear much from a vast majority of Muslims or their religious leaders (the Mullahs, and Ayatollahs) condemning the action? 3) I agree with you that the educated Mulsims must unite to eliminate these Mullahs. But as I indicated to you in one of my previous posts to you there are no such educated Muslims who can set aside the barbaric violent out-of-date verses of Quran because they all believe those verses are part of Quran, and since they all believe Quran is the word of God, they do not dare to question and/or to modify God's wisdom! Mullahs are riding on the notion that they are the representatives of God and therefore have the sole authority in voicing God's wisdom (as stated in Quran) to the people. In a sense (for the present) they are invincible! As I explained before, since Mullahs for their own self-serving intentions do not find it beneficial to interpret Quran anything but to suggest that Muslims are the "victims" (for whatever idiotic reasons or another), and that they have to always struggle against external forces (e.g. the U.S, the West, Womne's right, democracy as we know it, etc. etc.), we will continue to have the problems we are facing today in the world ranging from global terrorism, to local and regional wars. I wished there was an answer to this, but regretfully there is none but what you have suggested - which is for the educated Muslims (whatever this means which I assume those who are open minded and can be reasoned with and believe in logical existence based on love and peace) to unite and to get rid of the Mullahs, and to sanitize Quran (or at least its interpretation). But this will not be possible ( at least not in our life time) for the reason I mentioned above. Rgards,