To: Hawkmoon who wrote (12422 ) 12/2/2001 4:18:52 PM From: axial Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500 Hi, Hawk - Thanks for your comments. I appreciate the different perspective from which they come. In order to better understand the "relativity" of our different views, I think it would be helpful to review the history of international events that resulted in the creation of NAFTA. Rather than repeat this I will refer you to my post to BirdDog, which touches on the key events - from a Canadian perspective - though I hope I have maintained at least some objectivity...Message 16733370 The key event here occurs almost 30 years ago: the "hijacking" of a Canadian oil shipment - bought and paid for in a Canadian contractual arrangement - by the United States (probably, through Exxon, though I have never been able to establish that). Subsequently, Canada successfully and at huge cost (through legitimate market mechanisms: nothing was "stolen") - established energy self-sufficiency. This energy self-sufficency was the subject of scathing criticism from the United States - both from the oil industry, and other SIGs - even though it was entirely legitimate, and in no way violated anybody else's interests. The costs incurred were in the hundreds of billions of dollars, and we're still trying to pay off that debt."What IS apparent is that in exchange for gaining overall access to US markets (which was not reciprocal as stated by the author who stated that cars sold in Canada had to be manufactured there), we're seeking assurances that Canadian energy producers would not take advantage of energy shortages to withhold their shipments should US industry opt to depend upon Canadian energy rather than other sources (like Saudi Arabia)." With all due respect, Hawk, you miss the whole underpinning of NAFTA: I have no wish to be rude, but your view is (like the view of most Canadians and Americans) uninformed.Energy is the reason for NAFTA. It is the reason why Canada and the US entered into an agreement that permitted Canada equal access to many American sectors.NAFTA guarantees American access to Candian energy at world prices. Your comment..."we're seeking assurances that Canadian energy producers would not take advantage of energy shortages to withhold their shipments should US industry opt to depend upon Canadian energy rather than other sources (like Saudi Arabia). ...illustrates the insufficiency of your knowledge and understanding of NAFTA.NAFTA IS the guarantee you seek. If America chooses to disregard the associated aspects of NAFTA, then Canada may well regard this as a unilateral abrogation of the agreement. Your post contains several provocative and factually incorrect statements that seem to originate from an ideological perspective. I am somewhat constrained by time, and will respond to these in a future post. For now, I make the following observation: any predisposition by American interests to alter the democratic precepts of the countries with whom they do business amounts to the institutionalization of ideological intolerance, and the bastardization of commerce. __________________________________________ If NAFTA is abandoned, Canada will be left with a mountain of debt, its energy self-sufficiency in ruins, and the destruction of its future. If you imagine that we will be warmly receptive to that eventuality, imagine again. I have drawn criticism from many Canadian posters for my expectation that the United States will, in the end, recognize that undoing NAFTA and its provisions is counterproductive. Many have flamed me for recognizing the historical Triumph of Reason in our relationship. I have refused to take up the cause of anti-Americanism in my posts. I hope your post is not representative of the thinking of all Americans; if it is, then there is little hope. Regards, Jim