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To: Dan3 who wrote (150766)	12/3/2001 11:19:09 AM
From: wanna_bmw	Respond to of 186894

Dan, Re: "The news that AMD has had parts running 3.3 times as fast as Intel's "terahertz" transistors in their development facilities pretty much confirms that Intel missed the boat on SOI." Actually, Intel's 15nm transistors run at 2.63THz at 0.8V (page 7 of this link). intel.com AMD's run 25% faster, and for that they should be given a huge congratulations. However, there are still many unknowns at this point, like how they are going to get there for full production. I didn't see any new techniques from them like Intel's Terahertz transistors. Maybe AMD has all of Intel's benefits and more, but they haven't released anything to confirm that, yet. Edit: I'd also like to throw in the point that a lot can change in 7-8 years (these transistors are supposed to show up in volume in 2009). wbmw

To: Dan3 who wrote (150766)	12/3/2001 12:07:56 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Dan, <<<The news that AMD has had parts running 3.3 times as fast as Intel's "terahertz" transistors in their development facilities pretty much confirms that Intel missed the boat on SOI.>>> Most people reading this thread know your agenda and will consider your posts for what it is worth. But there just may be some innocents trying to do some of their own DD and get persuaded by your announcements and invest some of their kids education or their own retirement investment into AMD and end up having this investment going sideways for the next 15 to 30 years as it has over the last 30 years. Instead, they could have invested this amount into some money market or bond fund and get some returns. If you really believed in AMD and invest your own money into the company, that would be one thing, but what you are doing is not right. In any case, whatever AMD is doing with SOI is not going to effect Intel very much, one way or the other. SOI is not like some secret sauce and once you get it right, the competition is in the hole and can not catch up. It is more like going into space for the old Soviet Union. They could spend a whole bunch of money going into space at the expense of spending that would help their society and once the US has seen what they have done (the society or organization with more resources), it is a relatively short time that they would need to throw some money at it and outspend the resource poor country/company and take over the benefits of going into that direction. AMD can not win this race in this manner. Mary Disclaimer: I am not against AMD winning in a fair and square manner. I am not opposed to making money by investing in AMD if they came up with a better mousetrap and can bring it to market. But, don't give me this fake rah, rah stuff.

To: Dan3 who wrote (150766)	12/3/2001 12:24:51 PM
From: fingolfen	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

The news that AMD has had parts running 3.3 times as fast as Intel's "terahertz" transistors in their development facilities pretty much confirms that Intel missed the boat on SOI. Dan, Before you go making sweeping statements, please do a little research beforehand. From Marcyk's longer presentation a few days ago: December 2000: 30nm transistor, 1.2THz at 0.85V June 2001: 20nm transistor, 1.45THz at 0.75V November 2001: 15nm transistor on depleted SOI, 2.63THz at 0.8V. So, yes, the AMD one is a little faster... but not 3.3X. I'm really anxious to see the leakage profile for the AMD design to better understand what they've actually got...