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Politics : Piffer Thread on Political Rantings and Ravings -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lost1 who wrote (4967)	12/3/2001 3:08:31 PM
From: MulhollandDrive	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14610

>> remember a bunch of those Right-wingers on SI calling for a hanging party on Guiliani after the WTC calling him a traitor<< Really? Where did that happen? On what basis? I can't even begin to see a left vs. right discussion centering around Guiliani and his handling of the WTC.

To: Lost1 who wrote (4967)	12/3/2001 3:41:54 PM
From: Jorj X Mckie	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14610

Lostdood, It is true that Guiliani got villified initially when he stated that we need to try and understand the terrorists. I actually agree with him (and others). This is a classic case where there is a systemic problem that needs to be dealt with at the cause. With the information that we have so far, I would say that my "zit" analogy (sorry to the more delicate in the audience) is appropriate. This guy is not a systemic problem that needs to be understood, I think we just need to deal with the situation. Some of my assumptions are: -He knew about the 9/11 attack -He had ample opportunity between 9/11 and the day the U.S. attacked Afghanistan in which to head for the borders. -He did know that there were hostilities between the US and the Taleban once they started. One of the tests that I do is "what would it take for me to take up arms against the U.S.? If a taleban soldier held a gun to your head and told you to shoot the first American that you saw, would you pull the trigger?