To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (8489 ) 12/4/2001 12:29:43 PM From: Frederick Smart Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931 Man's Natural vs. Spritual State.... >>"Mankind's natural state is Evil" Why do you choose to believe this? As all belief is creative, so what you believe you will perceive. But first comes free choice. Why choose this?>> "Natural" implies matter, limits - eg. the natural boundaries of time, space, etc. By definition the state of "nature" - ie. matter - is juxtaposed with the state of "spirit" - which is the inverse of matter or energy. It would be better if we got rid of the baggage behind the word "evil" for what we are talking about is simply a state in which the natural or material forces of meaning, energy and spirit devolve and get externalized in the form of matter. Hence the Black Hole - the material manifestation of which simply corresponds to something alreading happing in the spiritual world from which that Black Hole manifests from - ie. the spiritual "hallowoing out" of energy, light and Love from the world of the soul. Go over Emanuel Swedenborg's works in this area. All things in the material/natural domain simply emmanate in direct correspondence with the spiritual domain from which they are connected. 1) GOD - The End 2) SPIRIT - The Cause 3) MATTER-NATURE-MAN - The Effect The question revolves around our core beliefs about the underlying energy or force that ONE (1) represents. If we believe (1) to be a disunifying force then the Black Hole is seeded and (2) is shifted inward and away from unconditional spirit, light and LOVE and into 3) the natural, matter-of-fact version of the externalized souless material, natural EGO driven insane Man, etc. But if we believe #1 is a completely harmonious, unifying force which supports, threads and connects everything in ONE perfect model of light, energy and love then #2 shifts outward and away into it's true unconditional nature which reflects the infinite truth behind man's divine soul and #3 takes on a complete differerent and powerfully transcendent and transformational role which duplicates, replicates and radiates the unconditional light, energy and Love from our perfect creator. Peace. Light! LOVE! GO!!