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To: gda who wrote (702)	12/4/2001 4:27:07 PM
From: uu	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 2926

gda: The reason I brought up some of the juicy parts of Hadith is simply to imply that what you have taken from Hadith on Martydrom is coming from the same source that contains all those other juicy parts. If you can put your faith and belief in all those other sections of Hadith, then I guess the part on Martydrom can also be taken seriously! As why I am getting into Hadith, is to really understand the mind set of an Islamic follower. Again consider the response that for example Amein provided to the following: "The witness of a woman is equal to half of that of a man because of the deficiency of the woman's mind" Hadith vol. 3:826 And I quote the explanations he provided (http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=16441409) "here is the reasoning behind having to have 2 women instead of one man... the verses in Quran add that "so that if one of them (of the women that is) forgets, the other shall remind her" ... and guess what, modern day medical research has shown that women are more prone to being forgetful than men... I am sorry that I don't have the article that was published by a renowned researcher... a woman nevertheless... but I am sure if one searches for it, he / she will find it..." Now if you think above is a reasonable logical response, then I guess you can also expect to get similar logical reasonable response to your Martydrom question from an educated moderate Muslim, and that should make you happy. As for why Amein kicked me out of his thread was because I (unlike others) am straight forward and tell the truth as I see it, and keep on asking till all my questions are answered. I am sick and tired of being politically correct when it comes to the truth! I found his responses to my questions and others to be at best comical and at worst misleading. And if you do not believe me please let me know and I will provide all the links to his responses to the questions such as Quran's verses on wife beating, killing of non-Muslims, etc. You should also know that those responses are from someone (namely Amein) who is educated (I believe he is an IT consultant), considered to be a moderate and a true gentle Muslim, and is living in a free thinking society as in the U.S. I never showed any disrespect toward Amein, and all my posts to him were all formualted in a very polite, civil and respectful manner. His problem was that he could not handle being challenged intellectually when it came down to Islam, and was in a way afraid that he could no longer defend the flaws that I was pointing out with Islam. As whether I am trying to prove how stupid Islam is... There are 2 points I will make to that: a) I do not need to prove anything if Islam is doing a good job of it by itself through Quran and Hadith! b) Believe it or not - I am totally open minded and really and honestly as my God is my witness, am willing to see the Muslim's sides of the story when it comes to these questionable Quranic verses (on wife beating ,etc.), and Hadith. The problem is every Muslim I come across either mocks me for being anti Islamic for questioning Quran and its verses (for which Muslims blindly accept Quran as the words of God and expect everyone else to do the same), and therefore ignores me totally by avoiding to answer my questions in a reasonable logical respectful manner (as I ask them in the same format), or they simply run away! c) If you read my introduction post to this thread, I have provided in an unbaised fashion the positive resources, negative links, and the somewhere in between, resources on Islam. Let me stress on the following fact, that as it stands I have really and honestly have no bias toward or against Islam in one way or another. If you find my comments rather negative at this time, it is because I am pointing out what I have discovered and no Muslim (or otherwise) has provided any reasonable response to prove that I am wrong (and believe me I do honestly would love to be proven wrong with my somewhat negative view of Islam). In short I am doing exactly what this thread is intended to do, and that is to truly and genuinely ”Understand Islam”, by bringing it under microscope, set aside all the political correctness novelties, and get to the bottom of it! Best Regards, - Addi