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To: wanna_bmw who wrote (151056)12/4/2001 8:58:09 PM
From: AK2004  Respond to of 186894
 
bmw
re: And that proves what a misleading snake you are.
wow :-))
Regards
-Albert



To: wanna_bmw who wrote (151056)12/4/2001 9:01:54 PM
From: Paul Engel  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894
 
Beamer - Re: Dilbert & "You are so full of shit, albert. "

You'd think he'd be empty by now after slinging it over here for the last few years.

He must have a renewable source for bullsh!t -probably shared with Ban Ban Liar Dan the Monica Man.

Paul



To: wanna_bmw who wrote (151056)12/4/2001 10:08:58 PM
From: AK2004  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 186894
 
bmw
I'll try to be kinder and explain it to you.
I assume that you are just ignorant little boy :-))
I was talking not about derivative accounting but
about new goodwill rules, little beamer
Regards
-Misleading Snake

U.S. Earnings Reports May Not Shed Light on Profits (Update1)
2001-08-03 09:48 (New York)

U.S. Earnings Reports May Not Shed Light on Profits (Update1)
FASB's Role
..........................
Hill complained that the Financial Accounting Standards
Board, the private group the Securities and Exchange Commission
relies on to set accounting standards, ``helped sprinkle these
things with holy water'' by easing the earnings impact of
accounting for goodwill from acquisitions.
Goodwill is the amount a purchaser pays beyond book value for
a company's assets -- substantial sums in the case of technology
companies with soaring stocks.
New FASB rules, passed last month, allow companies to assess
the value of goodwill on their books periodically and take charges
only when that value has fallen
. The group backed away from a
proposal that would have forced companies to continue to amortize,
or write off,
the value over 20 years or more.
Lynn Turner, the SEC's chief accountant, has put the issue on
the agency's radar screen. More than once, he has referred to the
pro-forma trend as ``everything but bad stuff'' earnings reports.
Turner said in June that the SEC is investigating whether
four companies misled investors with pro-forma earnings
statements. He has prodded Financial Executives International, a
trade group, to release guidelines calling on companies to ensure
that any pro-forma earnings cited in press releases are clearly
reconciled with generally accepted accounting principles.
``It just seems like people are not always shooting straight
with their investors,'' Turner said.
Congress is getting involved in the push for change as well.
``If every company comes up with its own definitions, the utility
of pro-forma reporting is diminished for a small investor as he or
she has no frame of reference to compare the pro-forma results
with,'' Representative Cliff Stearns, a Florida Republican, said
at a subcommittee hearing this week.

Preparing for Hurricanes

The GAAP basis is strict about what constitutes an
``extraordinary item,'' requiring it to be both unusual and
infrequent, said Julia Grant, associate professor of accountancy
at Case Western Reserve University. A company based in Florida,
for example, couldn't claim the costs of hurricane damage as an
extraordinary item because hurricanes are frequent in the state.
In theory, that rules out ``some things we see a lot,'' Grant
said, such as inventory writedowns, gains or losses from property
sales and charges for corporate reorganizations. Unlike SEC
filings, statements to the public and press don't have to meet
GAAP standards.
Intel Corp. last year pressed analysts to include investment
gains in earnings estimates. Analysts who follow Microsoft Corp.
did the same -- until the gains turned into a $2.6 billion
investment loss for its fiscal fourth quarter, when they were
excluded.



To: wanna_bmw who wrote (151056)12/4/2001 10:19:24 PM
From: AK2004  Respond to of 186894
 
Little beamy
one more bit for your education about playing with costs
BTW take something for your nerves :-))
and do not forget to say thank for valuable information
about regulations <gggg>
Regards
-Misleading Snake

Five Simple Truths About U.S. Corporate Earnings: David Wilson
2001-08-20 06:08 (New York)

Five Simple Truths About U.S. Corporate Earnings: David Wilson

(Commentary. David Wilson is a columnist for Bloomberg News.
The opinions expressed are his own.)

Princeton, New Jersey, Aug. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Now that the
deluge of second-quarter earnings reports by U.S. companies has
subsided, it's worth contemplating what these releases really
disclosed about their performance.
With that in mind, here are five simple truths that one can
take away from all those press releases, conference calls, analyst
reports and Securities and Exchange Commission filings of the past
few weeks.
While there undoubtedly are many more, one has to start
somewhere in making sense of all the statistics and people's
explanations for them. So without further ado:

1) ``A penny for your thoughts'' has become ``a penny for
your investors.''
The new twist on the old saying refers to the difference
between a company's per-share earnings and the average estimate
among analysts surveyed by Thomson Financial/First Call.
Among companies in the Standard & Poor's 500 Index that
reported quarterly results since July 1, 19 percent surpassed
First Call's average by one cent a share. AT&T Corp., Citigroup
Inc., Du Pont Co., Minnesota Mining & Manufacturing Co., Procter &
Gamble Co. and United Technologies Corp. were all among them.
The percentage compares favorably with the 29 percent of S&P
500 companies whose earnings matched the First Call average. It's
also three times the comparable figure for companies whose profit
was one cent lower.

2) ``Goodwill'' often isn't good. ``Purchase premium'' would
be a better choice of words.
What's good about a $38.7 billion charge? JDS Uniphase
Corp.'s shareholders had reason to ask that question after the
company, whose fiscal year ended in June, reported the largest
full-year loss in U.S. corporate history: $50.6 billion.
The charge taken by the largest producer of equipment for
fiber-optic networks stemmed from earlier decisions to pay far
more than book value, or the value of assets after subtracting
debt, for other companies.
Accountants define the difference between purchase price and
book value -- the premium, in other words -- as ``goodwill.'' JDS
Uniphase reduced the value of this asset, indicating the acquired
companies were no longer worth what it paid for them.
Goodwill also led to second-quarter charges of $4.8 billion
before taxes at Corning Inc., the larger producer of fiber-optic
cable, and $9.9 billion at Verisign Inc., a provider of network-
security services and manager of Internet addresses.

3) ``One-time'' has acquired a new meaning, especially when
used before ``charges.''
Wal-Mart Stores Inc.'s second-quarter results, among others,
used one-time in the traditional way: to characterize events that
happen only once. The largest U.S. retailer took a reorganization
charge, estimated at 1 cent a share, after buying a stake in its
Walmart.com Web site from Accel Partners, a venture-capital firm.
One-time also means former, though, and that interpretation
increasingly applies to earnings reports. Some events happen with
such regularity that they really don't merit the special treatment
they receive. In fact, the opposite may well be true.
Cisco Systems Inc., the largest maker of computer-networking
equipment, illustrates the point. The fiscal fourth quarter ended
in July was the first quarter in nine without a charge to reduce
the value of research and development by an acquired company.

4) There's no form to ``pro forma.''
Companies use this phrase to describe their preferred measure
of earnings, whatever it might be. Items excluded from net income
to arrive at this measure can vary considerably from one company
to the next.
Intel Corp., for example, omitted only acquisition-related
costs -- such as goodwill -- from the ``pro forma supplemental
information'' in its second-quarter earnings release.

Yahoo! Inc., the most often-used Internet search service,
excluded not only these costs but also restructuring charges,
expenses for stock compensation, payroll taxes on employees' stock-
option gains, and investment income.
Cisco went one step further than Yahoo. The company excluded
a charge for worthless inventory from the fiscal third quarter --
and a fourth-quarter gain from using some of the components, too.

5) When executives talk about ``visibility,'' they aren't
referring to the weather.
``Visibility'' instead describes people's ability to project
how companies will perform, especially when it comes to earnings.
When someone says a company has ``low earnings visibility,'' for
instance, the person making the statement can't say for sure how
much money it will make.
Statements such as this are being made more often this year.
As the Financial Times reported last Monday, almost three times as
many companies have used the word in earnings releases than during
the same period last year.
Companies don't always fall back on ``visibility,'' though.
Here's what Hewlett-Packard Co.'s release quoted Chief Executive
Carly Fiorina as saying about the outlook for the second-largest
computer company: ``Market conditions remain far too dynamic to
predict outcomes.''
Nevertheless, her comments suggest that Hewlett-Packard can't
clearly see what lies ahead -- a problem that might affect anyone
who has to wade through too many company earnings reports. That's
one more simple truth to consider.

--David Wilson in the Princeton newsroom (609) 279-4085 or
dwilson@bloomberg.net/jmg

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