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To: TigerPaw who wrote (207147)	12/4/2001 10:58:36 PM
From: PROLIFE	Respond to of 769669

A human life is unique...there is no other like it. Conception is when that is defined by prominent scientists. Any other of your cock and bullshit is just that. Give it up loser your attempt at acting as if you have a clue is just more stupidity from you. If you don't believe that I can dig up some of your old inane posts and reveal how you twist and turn. Give up your path of death and destruction... When does life begin? * Senate Judiciary Subcommittee held hearings on the very question before us here: When does human life begin? Appearing to speak on behalf of the scientific community was a group of internationally-known geneticists and biologists who had the same story to tell, namely, that human life begins at conception - and they told their story with a profound absence of opposing testimony. Dr. Micheline M. Mathews-Roth, Harvard medical School, gave confirming testimony, supported by references from over 20 embryology and other medical textbooks that human life began at conception. * "Father of Modern Genetics" Dr. Jerome Lejeune told the lawmakers: "To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion ... it is plain experimental evidence." * Dr. Hymie Gordon, Chairman, Department of Genetics at the Mayo Clinic, added: "By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception." * Dr. McCarthy de Mere, medical doctor and law professor, University of Tennessee, testified: "The exact moment of the beginning of personhood and of the human body is at the moment of conception." * Dr. Alfred Bongiovanni, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, concluded, "I am no more prepared to say that these early stages represent an incomplete human being than I would be to say that the child prior to the dramatic effects of puberty ... is not a human being." * Dr. Richard V. Jaynes: "To say that the beginning of human life cannot be determined scientifically is utterly ridiculous." * Dr. Landrum Shettles, sometimes called the "Father of In Vitro Fertilization" notes, "Conception confers life and makes that life one of a kind." And on the Supreme Court ruling _Roe v. Wade_, "To deny a truth [about when life begins] should not be made a basis for legalizing abortion." * Professor Eugene Diamond: "...either the justices were fed a backwoods biology or they were pretending ignorance about a scientific certainty."

To: TigerPaw who wrote (207147)	12/6/2001 6:22:20 PM
From: David R	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769669

I am sorry sir, but I must take strong exception to your definition of humanity (the separation between a fetus and a baby). Your definition is arbitrary. You have no basis in which to assert that a baby with the umbilical attached is any less a person than detached one. Nor can you offer anything other than your opinion as to why a fetus in the 8th month is any less human that you are. Self-aware is not the test of humanity. Five days ago, on 12-1, I was with my wife as she delivered our 3rd child. When only the head was out, he was clearly human, and fully so, and he was very aware of his circumstance. Your definition defined him as less than human, and limited his value to the feelings of my wife and me (we wanted him, or we did not). I reject this arbitrary and convenient definition of life. Separating humans based on arbitrary and convenient factors was the basis for the Nazi extermination. I suggest that you read some of the writings of Princeton Bioethicist Pete Singer. You will little to separate his teachings from your philosophy. Then you will find little to separate SInger from the Nazis.