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To: Zeev Hed who wrote (43)	12/5/2001 4:27:50 PM
From: maceng2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6945

Pearly, have you considered the international implications of the...... Heeeeey, What kind of question is that??? This thread isn't for international knowledgeable scholars who can think! We are just boneheads here to wish to ARGUE senselessly. What kind of talk is that <ggg> OK Zeev Hed, I expect those who may read this trash may just be trying to learn about about the conflict.-g- As for refugees, the number of Arab refugees that left "Palestine" in 48 is about the same as Jewish Arab refugees forced out of their countries. The only difference, Israel took care of its refugees problem, the Arabs kept these as political pawns. I guess you are referring to these refugees, whose link I have just found here... jajz-ed.org.il (nice set of maps btw) jajz-ed.org.il Very interesting, I don't think many people are aware approximately 600,000 "Arab" Jews sought refuge in the State of Israel 1947 -1972. I wasn't until about 5 mins ago. By the way, where were the "National aspirations" for statehood when Palestine was under Jordanian annexation Ummmm, The Jordanian annexation? When did that happen? I could guess and is the West Bank in 1948? jajz-ed.org.il palestinehistory.com Whats left now for the remaining Palestinians looks hopelessly fractured.. jajz-ed.org.il I have selected some links I like. Feel free to push out any further pointers. cvu.strath.ac.uk hejleh.com btselem.org and thanks for your help of course.

To: Zeev Hed who wrote (43)	12/8/2001 2:31:27 AM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6945

have you considered the international implications of the "right of return" Robert Malley was an integral part of Camp David, and he says the Palestinians were extremely moderate on this issue: "And, while they insisted on recognition of the refugees' right of return, they agreed that it should be implemented in a manner that protected Israel's demographic and security interests by limiting the number of returnees." nytimes.com When a country engages in an aggression whose goals is to gain territories (in this case the complete elimination of the state of Israel), it should accept the risk that if it loses, it will lose some territories. Last time I checked, the Palestinians did engage in aggression against Israel. There was a battle between some neighboring Arab countries and Israel. The varying accounts state that either the Jews drove the Palestinians out or that the invading Arabs told them to clear out. I have not heard even the most biased Zionist claim that the Palestinians were the ones who launched this war. You are truly breaking new ground here. Tom

To: Zeev Hed who wrote (43)	12/8/2001 2:52:53 AM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6945

have you considered the international implications of the "right of return" Robert Malley was an integral part of Camp David, and he says the Palestinians were extremely moderate on this issue: "And, while they insisted on recognition of the refugees' right of return, they agreed that it should be implemented in a manner that protected Israel's demographic and security interests by limiting the number of returnees." nytimes.com When a country engages in an aggression whose goals is to gain territories (in this case the complete elimination of the state of Israel), it should accept the risk that if it loses, it will lose some territories. Last time I checked, the Palestinians did not engage in aggression against Israel. There was a battle between some neighboring Arab countries and Israel. The varying accounts state that either the Jews drove the Palestinians out or that the invading Arabs told them to clear out. I have not heard even the most biased Zionist claim that the Palestinians were the ones who launched this war. You are truly breaking new ground here. Tom