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To: Nukeit who wrote (748)	12/5/2001 10:07:12 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2926

Nukeit, I'll take a couple of steps further.... You not only have to read the right versions of the Qu'ran, but also the Hadith, commentaries, etc... in order to get the full message. It's a library of reading! And it has to be in Arabic too. That makes it awfully hard for the non-Arabic speaking people! And it is claimed to be very easily taken out of context. In some parts it is out numerical sequence because of how verses were revealed and verses on the same topic contradict one another! It seems like God has made it awfully complicated to find out his word, for anyone that believes in Islam! God Bless, IGIT

To: Nukeit who wrote (748)	12/6/2001 1:20:12 AM
From: uu	Respond to of 2926

Nukeit: > If reading the good book is so important, I would think that they would stress education as being important. I do not know about other Islamic countries, but in Iran (and among Muslims in Pakistan) Quran is all "the" education one needs! In fact if you talk to these Muslims they claim that Quran does provide the answers to every scientific findings that man has ever done to this date! If you press for examples, of course, you are risking your life with them! There are literally hundreds of Islamic schools in for example Iran and Pakistan where people send their kids to learn Quran. All these kids do all day long is to read Quran with their heads moving forward and backward, and without knowing exactly what it is that they are reading (since Arabic is not their native language). The rely on their teachers to tell them what those Arabic readings mean! And their teachers are a bunch of psychotic close minded fundamentalists that interpret Quran for their self-serving purposes. On a related subject, You know, Khomeini has written a book that talks about everything you can think of. And I mean everything! In fact all PHD and master degree candidates in all majors from Universities in Iran were required to read this book and pass an exam on it before they receive their degree. I am not so sure about this, but I have been told by friends in Iran that for International political correctness of the time, the current somewhat less barbaric government of the Islamic Republic of Iran (although do not take me wrong it is still barbaric), has abandoned its previous requirement for students to pass an exam on Khomeini’s book. In fact I am told you no longer can find this book in any bookstore and the government has collected them all. And to give you an example of what this book contains, I give you the following sample taken directly from Khomeini's book (which incidentally was also published in Play Boy magazine back in the early 1980's). So here it is: "If you are sitting in a building with multiple floors, and if your aunt is sitting one floor above you, and if there is an “earth quake”, and the ceiling (which is actually the floor where your aunt is sitting) falls on you, and as a result of that your aunt comes down on you, and somehow in this process your aunt becomes pregnant, THEN, that inception will be legitimate if she fell on your right side, otherwise it is illegitimate!" I kid you not, this is a small sample of what Khomeini says in his book (sort of reminds me of the book of Hadith)! Now think about this, and just think about the complex mind of this man who has been elevated to being an Islamic Imam (the highest degree in Islam - at least in Shiiet Islam) with millions of followers - including the thugs who are in terrorist organizations such as Hamas, and Hezbolallah! And we wonder what kind of mind set those suicide bombers have?!!