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To: frankw1900 who wrote (12911)12/5/2001 10:14:21 PM
From: maceng2  Respond to of 281500
 
Hi frankw1900,

Some other interesting facts... There are both swings and rounabouts re Arabs and Israeli's who have been displaced and/or lost possesions.

Message 16751462

(I have been posting there about M/E stuff as it's OT here).

and thanks to Zeev Hed...



To: frankw1900 who wrote (12911)12/5/2001 11:29:38 PM
From: Hawkmoon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
The people living in the mandated areas were citizens of the former empire with legal title to their land.

Hardly... Remember, this was the OTTOMAN EMPIRE. Those who owned land were generally nobility, who acted as absentee landlords for the peasant class.

That's one of the reasons the Ottoman Sultan was willing to permit Jewish immigration before WWI. He knew they would bring money, but not be able to threaten his rule since he held ultimate title to everything in the empire he ruled.

There certainly was not such thing as "personal property rights" under Ottoman rule, and nothing resembling "land reform".

Also, the Jews purchased most of the land they obtained in the Yishuv, and it wasn't until the UN partition that the British owned territory (that with no claim by either Jew or Palestinian, and generally confiscated from the Turks) was granted to the Israelis as part of their partition.

So don't get under the illusion that all of these Palestinians held their own personal property prior to the immigration of the Jews. Most of them were working the farms as the Arab equivalent of "sharecroppers" or outright day labor.

And the Jews brought considerable quantities of money and market contacts that they developed back in Europe for Palestinian grown goods.

Hawk



To: frankw1900 who wrote (12911)12/6/2001 9:33:31 AM
From: epicure  Respond to of 281500
 
You are correct.
There are records to the land.
When Sharon went in to squash the PLO in Lebanon (and then had trouble extricating himself) one of the things he took back to Israel with him was a cache of records the PLO had kept of deeds and maps and other historic documents, that showed who had been in Israel before the Israelis. Israel was forced to give all these documents back during a prisoner exchange.


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