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To: AmericanVoter who wrote (461)12/7/2001 12:08:02 PM
From: Zeev Hed  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 758
 
Amein, every coin has two sides. Prior to the Balfour declaration, the "Palestinians", the few that were there, had no national independence, it was "robbed" of them by a series of conquerors, which in 1917 turned out to be the British. There was no time in history were Arab Palestinians had a "state". You may be interested to look at demographic data from 1880 on (I chose 1880, because that was the "dawn of Zionism". You'll be surprised to find that the Arab population grew as the land was developed by the Jewish pioneers (land bought most often from Damascus based Ephendies). Now that that combination of desert and swamps land was developed, it was "robbed". You must recognize the fact that there are in the world shifts of populations, it is not just the "world" doing it to the Palestinians, it is at the same time (1949, believe) that 2 MM Sikhs (more than twice the Palestinians refugees created during the 1948 conflict) were expelled from their land in the Punjab by Muslim Pakistan. Do you hear anything about those refugees 50 years later? No, as part of the more than 100 MM refugees that the human race has created in the 20th century, that refugees problems was solved. Why was not the refugees problem of Palestinian displaced people solved by their host nations? After all, the same host nations expelled the same amount of Jews from within their countries (most emigrating to Israel, many, not by choice) and in the process confiscating all their belongings (which in totto were larger than the belongings left behind by the Palestinian refugees.

Unless you want to reverse the clock of history, and believe that the state of Israel is "wrong" and thus should be exterminated, you must find away to solve this refugees problems as all the other 100 MM refugees problems of the last 100 years was solved. Look at the current Afghan refugee problem (I hear between 5 too 6 MM), you think it will remain unsolved for another 50 years? Will that be right? That "problem" was created by Muslim extremism, not a tiny Jewish state that occupies less than 1% of the vast lands in the ME.

Mind you, Israel could use a very "Arab" like law and adopt for the Palestinians claiming "Palestinians rights" to citizenship in a future Palestinian state, the citizenship rules of Kuwait. I will turn out that barely 10% of the refugees have such rights (and most of those that have, already have Israeli citizenship, since they were truly attached to the land and refused to leave under the dictum of the Arab League in 1948)

Zeev



To: AmericanVoter who wrote (461)12/7/2001 6:18:07 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST  Respond to of 758
 
Amein,

I will defer to Zeev, as his response and explanation on Israel. It is a great post...

What I will expound on, if the answer is "Yes" in the occupied territories, and we support and aide Israel, do we not fall under supporters of enemies in 9:4, "nor have supported anyone against you"?

[at-Taubah 9:4] Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him).
[at-Taubah 9:5] Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

God Bless,
IGIT



To: AmericanVoter who wrote (461)12/8/2001 10:09:19 AM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu  Respond to of 758
 
Amein you take the a stand of the other scam bags like the Taliban Hesbolah, PLO and other terrorist organization.

There is no Palestinian Nation those calling themselves so are Arabs expelled from their communities or forced out and who arrived to the Jewish Homeland west of the Jordan River to search work and opportunity.

The current myth is that these Arabs were long established in Palestine, until the Jews came and "displaced" them. The fact is, that recent Arab immigration into Palestine "displaced" the Jews. That the massive increase in Arab population was very recent is attested by the ruling of the United Nations: That any Arab who had lived in Palestine for two yearsand then left in 1948 qualifies as a "Palestinian refugees".

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. . . . Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it."
— Local Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not" —
Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian to
Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria." —
Ahmed Shukairy, United Nations Security Council, 1956

Al Aqza is just another mosque build on fundation of a Bzantine Church in Aelia Capitolina build on the ruins of the Jewish Temple. Those are the statistics of Jerusalem population - majority Jews before the W.W.I. and the Jewish residents were killed or driven out by Arabs.

1860: 11,000 Jews, 6,500 Muslims, 4,500 Christians
1906: 40,000 Jews, 13,000 Christians, 7,000 Muslims

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