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To: Kayaker who wrote (109343)	12/7/2001 12:43:48 PM
From: Wyätt Gwyön	Respond to of 152472

How much time does ANYONE spend in a Starbucks? Even if was an hour a day, it would be goofy to spend $30 a month for that. let's not confuse our own personal economic preferences with a business model currently aimed at a small market, which may eventually be aimed at a large market. whatever Sbux charges is what they think will balance profitability/penetration at this stage. heck, i just saw a hang-on-the-wall HDTV for $15,000. just because i wouldn't spend that money on a TV doesn't mean it's mispriced. I've got a cable connection for less [than $30]. you've got a cheap cable connection. some things is better in Canada, eh?

To: Kayaker who wrote (109343)	12/7/2001 7:00:19 PM
From: engineer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

go back and see my responses on this whole matter about last may. Was REALLY into this as I was running a business based on 802.11 and found that there were way too many holes in the "Free" model, especially Starbux. BTW - the company who was doing the starbux thing went belly up. also Metricom, also two others who did Hotels. the Hilton I use in Scottsdale used to have high speed 802.11 and ethernet in it, but this time they had it ripped out because the company went "bankrupt in the middle of the night"..... this is NOT to say that 802.11 is not important or will not get spread, but the models for it are based on individual companies needs or cost models where the cost is not the basic part of the equation. companies which need mobility or need no wires can justify the cost from other indirect costs. It is still very hard to justify putting in the additional cost of hardware, maintenence, and support to compete with a WAN network such as CDMA 1x or 1xevdo when the customer premise model is subscription PER SITE. this was exactly the problem that Metricom had as well. Now why VZ decided to roll the data division into the voice group? Probably because VOD is bleeding from trying to carry all these GPRS failures as well as VZ needs to come up with a few $B to cover the nextwave licenses, so they are downsizing. the irony of all this, both VZ and PCS, is that if they JUST TURN IT ON, the apps will come. But they are still in the mindset of trying to find the killer app to fund it all first before ONE PERSON WILL STICK THEIR NECK OUT. So in order to promote even more outspokeness, they got rid of half the group and transferred the rest. that will make them want to speak out. What should happen is that IF VZ and PCS do not want to risk this, then allow the Nextwave model and let someone who is an entrepenuer go out and buy up like 4 Billion minutes and offer this as resale on the VZ and PCS network to a new set of customers. Someone like an AOL or Earthlink or MCI.