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To: Ilaine who wrote (11715)	12/8/2001 5:20:33 PM
From: smolejv@gmx.net	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

I finished "Founding brothers" (Joseph J. Ellis, Pulitzer Prize 2000 I think). Have some .... closer ... feel for those years. We just talk money and economy here, while at the same time terrorism is taking over, in an obscene, unexpected, horrible way: the principles of of modern state are being sacrificed, the prosecution is being perverted into inland espionage... I am not any more sure, some common fundamentals of our societies will be around for much longer: the opennes of judicial process. The separation of police and secret services. The control over arrests and other limitations of basic human rights by independent judicial system. The right to see your indictment and other pertinent documents. Habeas corpus. Amicus curiae - also my friend? To serve me, you, us all? and to protect us? Miranda ... The right to choose my own defense.The right to public hearing. In dubio pro reo. The equality in the face of the law. Illegality of certain types of interrogations. The constitutional principle of fair trial... It's bitter to see writings on the US walls, saying "N'oubliez jamais" (). As a European there's so many things I am not allowed, I cant, forget. Burnt out, destroyed, empty landscapes, centuries of them. Mountains of decomposing bodies. Factories of death...And I feel like they're all coming back to haunt (me at least). As sacrificial lambs, slaughtered for nothing. Sacrifice, that's something you give away, to miss it painfully later. The western democracies (US, GB, Germany ...) are at the moment about to sacrifice their basic iudicial principles, born out of so much human suffering, after so many searches up and down all kinds of dead alleys. It's funny but I dont see any politician make a sad face over it. Some even look relieved. dj () actually it's stupid, but "dont forget" makes a reference to 9/11 probably look like a paste-it on your fridge.