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To: Mephisto who wrote (1349)12/9/2001 8:45:14 PM
From: Karen Lawrence  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 15516
 
Mephisto:

That article...ain't it the truth. YES.



To: Mephisto who wrote (1349)12/10/2001 12:37:34 AM
From: Mephisto  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 15516
 
Anti-terrorism has it limits. You didn't expect it would interfere with the fancied "rights" of gun nuts, did you? :
With this White House? This attorney general? Get serious.

"The FBI wanted to check whether any of the 1,200 people detained after the Sept. 11
attacks had bought guns. It was a reasonable thing to want to know.

At least two names of detainees showed up, sources said, before Ashcroft's ideological-purity
assurance task force in the Justice Department ruled that the cross-checks violated the law
establishing the background inquiries. A senior FBI official appealed the ruling and was told
the same thing. More translation: Look, we're talking about
the REPUBLICAN BASE, SO SHOVE OFF.".


By Cragg Hines
Houston Chronicle


After prying loose several keystones of the Constitution in the name of fighting terrorism, John Ashcroft's Justice Department suddenly
choked on giving the FBI access to the cursory federal background checks on gun buyers.

Not allowed, Ashcroft said. Want to allow it?, he was asked. Hypothetical, he said. Want to submit legislation to allow it? Happy to
consider any legislation, Ashcroft digressed. Translation: Drop dead.

How predictable. Just another reason why he should never have been made the nation's chief law enforcement officer.

The FBI wanted to check whether any of the 1,200 people detained after the Sept. 11 attacks had bought guns. It was a reasonable thing to
want to know.

At least two names of detainees showed up, sources said, before Ashcroft's ideological-purity assurance task force in the Justice
Department ruled that the cross-checks violated the law establishing the background inquiries. A senior FBI official appealed the ruling
and was told the same thing. More translation: Look, we're talking about the Republican base, so shove off.

This was, at best, a new interpretation of the law and meant that in the midst of the supposedly all-out war on terrorism, the Department
of Justice adopted an unnecessarily restrictive stance.

"You're looking for new tools in every direction...," Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., told Ashcroft Thursday during a Senate Judiciary
Committee hearing. "But when it comes to the area of even illegal immigrants getting guns and finding out if they did, this administration
becomes as weak as a wet noodle."

This is a Justice Department and administration that has detained hundreds of Arab and Muslim suspects on charges unrelated to
terrorism, has refused to identify most of the detainees and has held many of them incommunicado, has allowed federal eavesdropping
on communications between attorney and client, has moved to create military tribunals that could order executions without a
unanimous vote and without real judicial review.

Some of these measures are justified and some are not. But they illustrate the administration's generally robust attitude in sailing close to
the wind on due-process and other constitutional questions. But, oh mercy me, not when it comes to guns.

Ashcroft had swallowed some gnats and gagged on an AK-47. It was as expectable as it was blatant. During his years in the U.S. Senate as a
Republican from Missouri (which ended last year when he was defeated by a dead Democrat), Ashcroft opposed every serious
gun-control measure on which he ever voted. The National Rifle Association would say "Jump!" and Ashcroft would ask "How high?" He's
brought that act into the Justice Department.

President Bush's anti-terrorism campaign, including the legal maneuvers, currently enjoys broad public support. The White House and
Ashcroft know they can do about anything they want if it's pictured as a move to prevent another Sept. 11-like attack.

The numbers emboldened Ashcroft in his testimony before a generally toothless committee awed more by polls than the Constitution.
(Never a real contest, you understand.) Ashcroft wasn't content to stonewall on the several legitimate due-process issues raised (ever so
gently) by senators. He thought a pre-emptive bit of intimidation was in order:

"To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists."

This sort of bully-boy performance should have been answered with "Have you no shame?" But the historically apposite question seemed
not to come to any senator's mind. Not even when Ashcroft waggled what he said was an al-Qaeda training manual in which he said
"terrorist are taught how to use America's freedoms as a weapon against us."

But what about being taught to acquire guns? Ashcroft apparently sees nothing wrong with that sort of education. The attorney general
wouldn't even want the records of his own department checked to see if Osama bin Laden had bought a Saturday night special.

The stagily religious Ashcroft has always seemed to believe that Americans are too free to exercise their freedoms, unless of course it's
the cherished possession of firearms -- for which he blindly refuses to see any room for possible abuse. As with many of his views,
Ashcroft has only two settings when it come to guns, "off" and "zealot."

Hines is a Houston Chronicle columnist based in Washington, D.C. (cragg.hines@chron.com)



To: Mephisto who wrote (1349)12/10/2001 3:53:31 AM
From: Patricia Trinchero  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 15516
 
Doesn't it have in our Constitution a statement saying that it is the DUTY of every citizen to rise up in protest and voice their dissent if the government moves in a manner which they feel is against the good of all citizens?

I will have to find that exact phrase in our COnstitution and will copy it here.

Pat



To: Mephisto who wrote (1349)12/12/2001 2:41:50 PM
From: Mephisto  Respond to of 15516
 
'Operation diminishing freedom'
BY Molly Ivins, Working For Change
Posted on Wednesday, December 12 @ 10:24:43 EST

The highlights of Ashcroft's new methods to spy on you


AUSTIN, Texas -- By George, we need honest, reasoned debate around here and not
fear-mongering, so anyone out there who suspects Attorney General John Ashcroft of being a
nincompoop is clearly aiding terrorists and giving ammunition to America's enemies. Ashcroft
says so, and if that's not reasoned debate, what is?

Under the high standards of reason set forth by Ashcroft, we are allowed to present CORRECT
information (those who present incorrect information, like some people in government, erode
our national unity and diminish our resolve) as to what the attorney general is up to. While
Operation Enduring Freedom continues in Afghanistan, enduring freedom is not looking so
good here at home -- and like the A.G., I would be the last to encourage people of goodwill to
remain silent in the face of evil.



Here is some CORRECT information about enduring freedom:

* Ashcroft's urpily named PATRIOT Act permits government agents to search a suspect's home
without notification. In J. Edgar Hoover's day, this was known as "a black-bag job." As Nat
Hentoff reports in The Progressive: "A warrant would be required, but very few judges would
turn a government investigator down in this time of fear. Ashcroft's 'secret searches' provision
can now extend to all criminal cases and can include taking photographs, the contents of your
hard drive and other property. This is now a permanent part of the law, not subject to any
'sunset review' by Congress."

Many of our tough-minded brethren, to whom it is perfectly clear that less freedom equals
more security, have dismissed complaints by saying, after all, these measures only apply to
non-citizens, and besides, the worst parts of it will sunset in four years. Wrong. This means you,
fellow citizens -- if you happen to know someone whose brother-in-law rented a garage
apartment to a guy who knew someone who might be a terrorist. Benjamin Franklin said, "They
that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or
safety." But I'm pretty sure Franklin didn't mean to aid terrorists, so please don't report him to
he A.G.

* The expansion of wiretapping authority to computers simply puts privacy in cyberspace in
jeopardy without any concomitant gain to law enforcement. According to James X. Dempsey,
deputy director of the Center for Democracy and Technology, neither Congress nor the media
have put all this together to see the breadth of the dragnet.

The government can now delve into personal and private records of individuals even if they
cannot be directly connected to a terrorist or foreign government. Bank records, e-mails,
library records, even the track of discount cards at grocery stories can be obtained on
individuals without establishing any connection to a terrorist before a judge. According to the
Los Angeles Times, Al Qaeda uses sophisticated encryption devices freely available on the
Internet that cannot be cracked. So the terrorists are safe from cyber-snooping, but we're not.

* Ashcroft and Co. essentially say, "Trust us, we won't misuse these new laws." But in fact the FBI
and the CIA have repeatedly violated such trust to spy on everyone from Martin Luther King
Jr. to Jean Seberg. That's why the checks were there to begin with.

* According to an analysis of PATRIOT by the Electronic Freedom Foundation, the government
made no showing that the previous powers of laws enforcement and intelligence agencies to spy
on U.S. citizens were insufficient to allow them to investigate and prosecute acts of terrorism:
"Many provisions that, instead of (being) aimed at terrorism, are aimed at nonviolent, domestic
computer crime. In addition, although many of the provisions appear aimed at terrorism, the
government made no showing that the reasons they failed to detect the planning of the recent
attacks or any other terrorist attacks were the civil liberties compromised by the bill. The
government may now spy on web-surfing of innocent Americans, including terms entered into
search engines, by merely telling a judge anywhere in the U.S. that the spying could lead to
information that is 'relevant' to an ongoing criminal investigation."

The person spied on does not have to be the target of the investigation nor is probable cause
required.

* The military tribunals idea is so bad the administration has been backing up on it steadily,
especially since Spain has already announced it won't turn over its Al Qaeda suspects to a
system so devoid of international standards. The Spaniards, who have been fighting Basque
terrorists for years, are not noticeably "soft on terrorism."

* Lest you think our only attorney general does not care about rights, I point out that when it
comes to the 550 he has "detained" since September, without evidence, without charges,
without identification and without legal counsel, he so fully respects the Second Amendment
rights of these non-citizens that he has reversed the Justice Department's previous stand to
forbid the FBI to check on their gun-purchase records in order to protect their privacy. Also,
Ashcroft fully believes in the rights of the unborn. The born are on their own.

Reprinted from Working For Change:
workingforchange.com
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