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To: Jerome who wrote (491)	12/10/2001 11:17:48 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 786

Jerome, It is silly to claim the constitution and bill of rights applies to all illegal immigrants in all circumstances. Hell, remember blacks were property and counted as 3/5 of a person by the founders. I dont think the founders would have been kind to foreigners blowing up buildings on their watch. And our history bears this out over and over again, particularly the wrong-headed treatment of japanese-american citizens who we all now agree should not have been treated in that manner. Having said all of that, i still believe that illegals get a fair shake even in detention. mike

To: Jerome who wrote (491)	12/10/2001 11:47:07 AM
From: willcousa	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 786

Your contention that our constitution applies in the same way to everyone on our shores is legally wrong. Don't you think that the courts have dealt with such issues sometime in our history? To make a broad brush statement that the meaning of our constitution is extraneous to the document and depends on social conditions at the time it was written makes no legal sense. What about amendments? I do not for the life of me know why you insist on making the assumptions about the constitution that you make. Your position is not even an argument. It is like saying there is zinc on the moon because the ocean is blue. (which it is not by the way).