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To: combjelly who wrote (152183)	12/12/2001 11:38:57 AM
From: Tenchusatsu	Respond to of 186894

Combjelly, <Big caches are needed to reduce memory contention in a shared memory system. They are not as necessary in a point to point memory system like AMD uses.> In 4-way systems and above, large caches are ALWAYS necessary. AMD's point-to-point bus does not change that fact at all. All it does is shift the bottleneck to the memory channel, assuming the bottleneck wasn't there to begin with. The story is somewhat different for higher-volume 2-way servers and below. But then again, you two were arguing over the prices of large-cache Xeon and Itanium CPUs, which are targeted for 4-way and above. Tenchusatsu

To: combjelly who wrote (152183)	12/12/2001 12:22:28 PM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

JellyWomb - Re: "As far as the dearth of customers for the Hammer, we will see once it starts to ship. " Looks like your wait has just been EXTENDED another 3 months at LEAST !!! AMD has REVISED their Roadmap - and ClodHamster has now SLIPPED into the FOURTH QUARTER of 2002 - and it is A SINGLE CPU (1-WAY) system throughout 2002 !! The 2-way ClodHamster has now slipped entirely into 2003 - along with the SLudgePumper - which I believe had already slipped completely into 2003. AMD's HAMSTER program is in complete disarray - slipping at least one quarter per quarter !!