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Politics : Impeach George W. Bush -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Don Hurst who wrote (8545)12/12/2001 2:37:28 PM
From: TigerPaw  Respond to of 93284
 
Why should they be?
I heard that evil sneaky Russkies might refuse to put homing beacons in their missles. At least Rumsfeld and the defense contractors will probably give us our money back then.
TP



To: Don Hurst who wrote (8545)12/12/2001 4:53:20 PM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 93284
 
Yeah, Don, let's put all R&D on hold while you kibbitz......



To: Don Hurst who wrote (8545)1/10/2002 2:24:56 AM
From: jttmab  Respond to of 93284
 
Don,

Something to add to your files on SDI....

China May Aim More Nukes Toward U.S.
January 10, 2002, 1:18 AM EST

WASHINGTON -- China is expected to have as many as 100 long-range nuclear missiles aimed at the United States by 2015, many of them on hard-to-find mobile launchers, a new CIA report says.

China sees a larger, mobile force as necessary to maintain its nuclear deterrent against the United States, says the report, "Foreign Missile Developments and the Ballistic Missile Threat Through 2015."

The report, released Wednesday, also says North Korea and Iran will probably possess long-range missiles capable of reaching the United States by the same year.

Similar assessments have been used to justify U.S. plans for multibillion-dollar missile defense systems capable of shooting down a limited ICBM attack on the continental United States.

Last month President Bush used the threat of missile attack by terrorists as a reason for the United States to pull out of the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty with Russia.

"I have concluded the ABM treaty hinders our government's ability to develop ways to protect our people from future terrorist or rogue state missile attacks," the president said.

But the new report says terrorists aren't expected to employ long-range missiles to deliver nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction on the United States.

"Ships, trucks, airplanes and other means may be used," it says. Hostile countries may employ similar means, it says.

These delivery methods can be used covertly, are cheaper and more accurate than non-U.S. ICBMs, and avoid any missile defenses, the report says.


Currently, China has about 20 silos with CSS-4 nuclear ICBMs that are capable of reaching the United States, the report says. Another dozen nuclear missiles can reach targets in Russia and Asia. It also has a few medium-range submarine-launched ballistic missiles, and probably only one submarine from which to launch them.

The report is an unclassified summary of a National Intelligence Estimate, which draws together information and analyses from the CIA and other U.S. intelligence agencies about foreign countries' missile development programs.

The Chinese military is developing three new missile systems, two truck-launched missiles and a new submarine-launched missile, all of which could be fielded by 2010, the report says. The Chinese may also be able to mount multiple-independent re-entry vehicles -- MIRVs -- on its older silo-based missiles. These enable a single missile to launch warheads at several targets, vastly increasing the missile's potential damage.

China sees an expanded ICBM force as necessary to overcome a U.S. missile defense system -- and therefore maintain its ability to strike the U.S. mainland. This would provide a deterrent during a conflict over Taiwan.

While U.S. officials insist the missile defense program is to defeat strikes by North Korea and other "rogue" nations, some of those proposed defenses might be sufficient to shoot down all 20 Chinese ICBMs. Analysts say that having a missile defense system would give the U.S. more freedom to go to war over Taiwan, should China invade it.

Arguing for such a system, Bush suggested earlier this year that a rogue state might not be restrained by the fear of nuclear annihilation as the Soviet Union was.

One-hundred missiles would be too many for most of the missile defense systems envisioned by the Pentagon, ensuring that China has a deterrent against U.S. entry into a fight over Taiwan.

"Beijing is concerned about the survivability of its strategic deterrent against the United States and has a long-range modernization program to develop mobile, solid-propellant ICBMs," the report says. "The (U.S. intelligence community) projects that by 2015, most of China's strategic missile force will be mobile."

China also is expanding its short-range ballistic missile force, and will probably have several hundred by 2005, the report says. These are armed with conventional warheads which could be used to bombard Taiwan from the Chinese mainland.

North Korea, meanwhile, has halted missile flight-testing until at least 2003, although it continues to develop the Taepo Dong-2, a two-stage missile that would be capable of reaching parts of the western United States. North Korea also probably has one or two nuclear weapons that could be mounted on those missiles, the report says.

Iran, meanwhile, might be able to test a long-range missile around 2005, but more likely won't have the capability to do so until 2010, the report says.

The report reflects some differences of opinion between U.S. intelligence agencies, with one unidentified agency arguing that Iran won't be able to test missiles able to reach the U.S. mainland even by 2015. Its projections also assume each country's political direction will not change significantly during the next 13 years.

Iran will rely on foreign assistance from Russia, China and North Korea to complete its missile program, the report says.

Russia's strategic missile force will continue to get smaller, with or without arms control agreements, but Russia will still have far and away the largest nuclear missile inventory capable of hitting the United States, the report says.

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To: Don Hurst who wrote (8545)1/10/2002 9:20:29 AM
From: jttmab  Respond to of 93284
 
The last test was delayed two days because of bad weather so those bad, evil Russkies and those oh so numerous "rogue states" can launch their nucs on cloudy, rainy days.
After 9/11, you would think this 21st century Maginot Line would have receded to the far back of the priority list but oh, no....


Not sure whether your aware of all the details of the ABM testing. In all of the current testing the target vehicle has a transponder which assists in targetting by the ABM system. I don't think they are planning on the bad guys using transponders with the real thing, but who knows for sure?

But that aside...here's a related story on arms.

Russia Takes Stand on Nuclear Arms
January 10, 2002, 8:30 AM EST

MOSCOW -- Setting the stage for tough talks on nuclear disarmament, Russia bristled Thursday at the Pentagon plan to downsize U.S. nuclear arsenals by putting weapons in reserve rather than destroying them.

Russia's Foreign Ministry insisted the cuts must be "irreversible" when the United States goes through with a promise by President Bush to reduce the number of operational nuclear warheads by two-thirds, to 1,700-2,200, by 2012.

The issue of what to do with nuclear weapons removed from duty -- the so-called buildup potential -- has been a major point of contention in previous U.S.-Russian negotiations. The latest statements from both sides signal tough bargaining ahead.

U.S. and Russian diplomats are expected to meet in Washington next week to discuss the details and timetable for the cuts in preparation for Bush's trip to Russia later this spring or summer.

"Russia will push strongly for the nuclear cuts to be irreversible, but the United States is unlikely to make any major concessions," said Alexander Pikayev, a military analyst with the Carnegie Endowment's Moscow office. "Unfortunately for Russia, its position in talks is rather weak because its aging nuclear weapons are to go off-duty anyway."

Bush promised Russian President Vladimir Putin in November that his administration would make the cuts in the numbers of operational warheads -- putting the arsenal far below the 6,000 nuclear warheads each country is currently allowed under the START I agreement.

Putin has promised to cut the number of Russian warheads to as low as 1,500. He has also pushed for the cuts to be written into formal treaty, something Bush opposes.

On Wednesday, a top Pentagon planner said that in the reduction plan, some warheads would be destroyed -- how many was not announced -- while others would be rendered inactive, meaning it would take several months to get them ready to fire.

J.D. Crouch, assistant secretary of defense for international security, said the United States needs to keep the warheads in reserve in case the world situation changes. Most previous arms control treaties do not require warheads to be destroyed, he said.

Russia's Foreign Ministry responded sharply Thursday. Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko said cuts must be "irreversible, so that strategic offensive weapons aren't just reduced 'on paper.'"

Retired Maj.-Gen. Vladimir Dvorkin, a former top Russian arms control negotiator, said he expected a compromise, given the recent warmth in Russian-U.S. ties.

"I wouldn't dramatize the situation. A solution can be found by the time of Bush's visit," said Dvorkin, now an adviser to the PIR-Center, an independent Russian military policy think-tank.

But Pikayev and some other analysts predicted that the United States would firmly defend its plan to keep nuclear weapons in reserve and refuse to make any major concessions.

"The resulting agreement will not be about real nuclear disarmament. It will only deceive the public," Pikayev said.

Ivan Safranchuk, who heads the Moscow office of the Washington-based Center for Defense Information, said the Pentagon wants to keep its nuclear weapons as a hedge against any new chill in U.S.-Russian relations and also as a deterrent against a potential increase in China's nuclear capability.

"Besides, it's much cheaper to keep weapons in reserve than to destroy them," he said.

It was the second time in two days that a U.S. statement on nuclear issues drew criticism from Moscow. On Wednesday, Russia firmly reiterated its commitment to a nuclear testing ban amid indications that the United States wants to reduce the time it would take to resume tests.

Safranchuk said Russia would continue protesting even if it lacks the power to prevent the United States from going its own way.

"Russia wants to show the harm of unilateral approaches to nuclear disarmament," he said.

Copyright © 2002, The Associated Press

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