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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TigerPaw who wrote (8751)	12/14/2001 3:30:16 PM
From: Bill Fischofer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

Re: Goedel I was going to get around to Goedel but wanted to lay some foundation work first. But since you've brought him up I will point out that Goedel's work is why paradox is an inherent aspect of reality. Goedel basically says you can either be incomplete or inconsistent. Mathematicians choose the former while nature chooses the latter.

To: TigerPaw who wrote (8751)	12/14/2001 4:00:49 PM
From: Frederick Smart	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

Ummmm YES!! >>>>And numbers and prime numbers can explain ALL of reality in a way that's completely claim-free and pure. Uhmmm,, NO! miskatonic.org; Thanks for the link Tiger! Now just try to give up the claim matrix glasses when reading what follows.... >>In 1931, the Czech-born mathematician Kurt Gödel demonstrated that within any given branch of mathematics, there would always be some propositions that couldn't be proven either true or false using the rules and axioms ... of that mathematical branch itself. You might be able to prove every conceivable statement about numbers within a system by going outside the system in order to come up with new rules an axioms, but by doing so you'll only create a larger system with its own unprovable statements. The implication is that all logical system of any complexity are, by definition, incomplete; each of them contains, at any given time, more true statements than it can possibly prove according to its own defining set of rules. Gödel's Theorem has been used to argue that a computer can never be as smart as a human being because the extent of its knowledge is limited by a fixed set of axioms, whereas people can discover unexpected truths ... It plays a part in modern linguistic theories, which emphasize the power of language to come up with new ways to express ideas. And it has been taken to imply that you'll never entirely understand yourself, since your mind, like any other closed system, can only be sure of what it knows about itself by relying on what it knows about itself.>> Which is exactly the essence of the free, zero/NO claim non-point I've been receiving and sharing about this "world beyond" spiritual reality which is simply a continuous never ending flowing and evolving process of becoming. But this does not sit well with man's ego which always wants to claim some "bottom line" endpoint so he/we can define, label, control, take and "get" more for ourselves from others and the universe. Gödel's model and findings are actually higher revelatory and liberating!! And I'm not making ONE (1) "claim" to being the source of any truth. You have received and shared this and I'm simply responding with another way of looking at the same thing. Thanks for the link! Peace. Light! ONE - LOVE! GO!!