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To: Ramsey Su who wrote (17370)12/15/2001 11:49:05 AM
From: foundation  Respond to of 196347
 
"..there is no (evdo) equivalent in WCDMA yet. They are thinking about it.."
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Vodafone wanted 3GPP to do a do version of HSDPA.

They're not.

Perhaps it's easy to understand from 3GPP's perspective - they'd have looked rather silly after having pissed all over Q's do concept... another position that they pushed too hard to eat their words now.

The do concept allows a level of broadband/mobile integration that may prove very appealing to carriers with both divisions...



To: Ramsey Su who wrote (17370)12/15/2001 1:35:08 PM
From: quidditch  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 196347
 
Hey!!! engineer, Mq and Su in a good, old fashioned techno-analysis of CDMA 2000 vs. W-CDMA, this is beginning to smell like 97-through early '99 again. Bravo, engineer--I have printed out your treatise for future reference, smacking of your salad days w/ W. Houston, pheilman, etc. By the way, I caught something on this or another thread that, maybe Phillipps or one of the other European electronics houses was going to begin charging royalties for its turbo coding technology (apparently used royalty free up to now). Does that impact Q's chips and current coding at all?

Well, Mq you were good at getting oil out of the ground at BP, but the SP's seem steadfastly to refuse to adopt your dynamic pricing models. Who will ever know the outcome if they had? Meanwhile G* struggles along in corporate, securities and market segment limbo (is it voice, is it data, is it aircraft carrier, is it governmental?) before its pre-packaged BK plan comes into being.

Mexico: I used to do a LOT of work down there. Sprint promised functional integration with Pegaso's network back in 1999, or so. Afaik, still hasn't come into being. It would work big time, as there is huge-cross border commercial traffic (all kinds!) throughout TX, NM, AZ and CA. But $700,000,000. That's a lot of retained earnings to pour into one carrier where you have three other CDMA carriers vying to divide up 19 million users more or less concentrated in Mexico City, Monterry, Guadalajara and the border towns Nuevo Laredo, Victoria, Tijuana and Ciudad Juarez . Not sure about the economics or competitive strategy of trying to fortify one of your adoptees of CDMA 2000 as versus three others. Q's business plan has tended to emphasize more and more the seeding of its carrier technology adopters. Risky business, here, and I tend to share some of pcstel's concerns. If we think that the US is in recession, doubly so for Mexico and other Latin economies that are, by and large, heavily dependent on the economy of the Gringo colossus to the North. We better hope that this recession is not very steep and very long-lived, or Q may be waiting in a variety of long check-out lines at the bankrupcty court counters, for more than just G*. Q has not, by and large, been able to couple its investees with effective marketers. And we know just how far effective marketing can take inferior or non-existent technology, viz. AWE and NOK.

Any one shorting NOK here?

Speaking of accounting for some of these questions (who was, anyway?), the SEC issued a release this week strongly urging public companies to become more transparent in explaining their critical accounting policies to investors, in language that can be understood. This, of course, comes on the heels of the mind-boggling collapse of ENE. The president of Arthur Andersen, ENE's independent auditors, testified this week before a Congressional committee investigating the collapse and had some very interesting things to say. And, ENE's recently dismissed CFO refused to appear for deposition at the SEC, and the agency has requested issuance of a subpoena compelling his appearance. I know that most on this board are not interested in, and do not much care about, this stuff, but the confidence in the US capital markets, and therefore willingness to support stock prices at historic levels, depends greatly on the willingness of investors to accept the integrity and soundness of financial disclosures made by public companies. If a psychological wave of doubt is created by more ENE's, look out.

quid



To: Ramsey Su who wrote (17370)12/16/2001 7:03:22 PM
From: propitious7  Respond to of 196347
 
Colleagues: Thanks for wCeDucation
Mr. Moderator,RSU, Engin', EricL -- sincere thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with this Board, and I see that soem of these posts have been patched over to TMF, the board where I normally dine

I cannot absorb all the tech info in one shot so will hang these posts like intravenous bottles to drip into the blood stream over time.

I am surprised that I have not heard the wCDMA case articulated by anyone yet. I thought,Eric especially, might give us some NOK or ERICY links and tell us whether their claims are propaganda or not. As I said in my first post, I often read GSMafia making broad assertions of superiority but after an introductory sentence it usually falls back to the huge numerical superiority of GSM population over cdma population (uncontroverted) with the assertion that wCDMA is the "natural" or "logical" extension of GSM to 3G.

1. Will anyone take up the challenge to make the case for superiority of wCDMA -- when stabilized, optimized and whatever -- over cdma2000?

2. Can anyone explain why wCDMA is the "natural" extension of GSM; it is my understanding that the change from GSM to wCDMA is a "forklkift" transition with new radio tech, new spectrum (Eric's note on downbanding wCDMA was the first I had heard of its potential in existing spectrum rather than 2+ghz), new handsets so that in e.g. Malaysia for 3G there is no "technical efficiency" for the GSM carriers seeking 2ghz licenses for 3G to prefer wCDMA over cdma2000 -- as apparently they do.

The sense of the meeting to date seems to be (no surprise on a Q board) that cdma2000 has technical advantages over wCDMA and that in at least two respects, synchronous operation and HDR via data only, w would be well advised to emulate her sister.

If we are so-minded we may be put back to further inquiry along the lines of the hot thread started by Eric in telling us of the "lost opportunity" of QCOM to effect a rapprochement with the Euro crowd. It is, of course, a trusim -- and the thing about truisms is that often they are true -- that carriers do not adopt the most best technology; they adopt the most used technology. If you are a carrier and are isolated in your market, you are (usually) toast.

The genius of the evolution of GSM was not the technology; it was the formation of a "carrier treaty" with two important principles, backed by government law or decree in the Euro nations at least: (i) Thou shalll use GSM and as a condition of your license you will provide border to border GSM coverage within your license area; and (ii) Thou shall sign a roaming contract with the GSM authority gaining roaming access and granting roaming access with all other GSM carriers.

These principles provided an assured basis for the swift and universal rollout of GSM within the treaty area and for the termination of analog service because even remote rural areas were brought within GSM coverage. It worked beautifully for GSM. Unfortunately times -- competition, technology and politics -- have changed and the trasnition to 3G is not going the same smooth way and will not.

We should explore some of the differences because the 3G game we will watch over the next couple of years will make some investment fortunes (and break some others).

propitious



To: Ramsey Su who wrote (17370)12/16/2001 7:03:23 PM
From: propitious7  Respond to of 196347
 
Colleagues: Thanks for wCeDucation
Mr. Moderator,RSU, Engin', EricL -- sincere thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with this Board, and I see that soem of these posts have been patched over to TMF, the board where I normally dine

I cannot absorb all the tech info in one shot so will hang these posts like intravenous bottles to drip into the blood stream over time.

I am surprised that I have not heard the wCDMA case articulated by anyone yet. I thought,Eric especially, might give us some NOK or ERICY links and tell us whether their claims are propaganda or not. As I said in my first post, I often read GSMafia making broad assertions of superiority but after an introductory sentence it usually falls back to the huge numerical superiority of GSM population over cdma population (uncontroverted) with the assertion that wCDMA is the "natural" or "logical" extension of GSM to 3G.

1. Will anyone take up the challenge to make the case for superiority of wCDMA -- when stabilized, optimized and whatever -- over cdma2000?

2. Can anyone explain why wCDMA is the "natural" extension of GSM; it is my understanding that the change from GSM to wCDMA is a "forklkift" transition with new radio tech, new spectrum (Eric's note on downbanding wCDMA was the first I had heard of its potential in existing spectrum rather than 2+ghz), new handsets so that in e.g. Malaysia for 3G there is no "technical efficiency" for the GSM carriers seeking 2ghz licenses for 3G to prefer wCDMA over cdma2000 -- as apparently they do.

The sense of the meeting to date seems to be (no surprise on a Q board) that cdma2000 has technical advantages over wCDMA and that in at least two respects, synchronous operation and HDR via data only, w would be well advised to emulate her sister.

If we are so-minded we may be put back to further inquiry along the lines of the hot thread started by Eric in telling us of the "lost opportunity" of QCOM to effect a rapprochement with the Euro crowd. It is, of course, a trusim -- and the thing about truisms is that often they are true -- that carriers do not adopt the most best technology; they adopt the most used technology. If you are a carrier and are isolated in your market, you are (usually) toast.

The genius of the evolution of GSM was not the technology; it was the formation of a "carrier treaty" with two important principles, backed by government law or decree in the Euro nations at least: (i) Thou shalll use GSM and as a condition of your license you will provide border to border GSM coverage within your license area; and (ii) Thou shall sign a roaming contract with the GSM authority gaining roaming access and granting roaming access with all other GSM carriers.

These principles provided an assured basis for the swift and universal rollout of GSM within the treaty area and for the termination of analog service because even remote rural areas were brought within GSM coverage. It worked beautifully for GSM. Unfortunately times -- competition, technology and politics -- have changed and the trasnition to 3G is not going the same smooth way and will not.

We should explore some of the differences because the 3G game we will watch over the next couple of years will make some investment fortunes (and break some others).

propitious



To: Ramsey Su who wrote (17370)12/16/2001 7:03:23 PM
From: propitious7  Respond to of 196347
 
Colleagues: Thanks for wCeDucation
Mr. Moderator,RSU, Engin', EricL -- sincere thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with this Board, and I see that soem of these posts have been patched over to TMF, the board where I normally dine

I cannot absorb all the tech info in one shot so will hang these posts like intravenous bottles to drip into the blood stream over time.

I am surprised that I have not heard the wCDMA case articulated by anyone yet. I thought,Eric especially, might give us some NOK or ERICY links and tell us whether their claims are propaganda or not. As I said in my first post, I often read GSMafia making broad assertions of superiority but after an introductory sentence it usually falls back to the huge numerical superiority of GSM population over cdma population (uncontroverted) with the assertion that wCDMA is the "natural" or "logical" extension of GSM to 3G.

1. Will anyone take up the challenge to make the case for superiority of wCDMA -- when stabilized, optimized and whatever -- over cdma2000?

2. Can anyone explain why wCDMA is the "natural" extension of GSM; it is my understanding that the change from GSM to wCDMA is a "forklkift" transition with new radio tech, new spectrum (Eric's note on downbanding wCDMA was the first I had heard of its potential in existing spectrum rather than 2+ghz), new handsets so that in e.g. Malaysia for 3G there is no "technical efficiency" for the GSM carriers seeking 2ghz licenses for 3G to prefer wCDMA over cdma2000 -- as apparently they do.

The sense of the meeting to date seems to be (no surprise on a Q board) that cdma2000 has technical advantages over wCDMA and that in at least two respects, synchronous operation and HDR via data only, w would be well advised to emulate her sister.

If we are so-minded we may be put back to further inquiry along the lines of the hot thread started by Eric in telling us of the "lost opportunity" of QCOM to effect a rapprochement with the Euro crowd. It is, of course, a trusim -- and the thing about truisms is that often they are true -- that carriers do not adopt the most best technology; they adopt the most used technology. If you are a carrier and are isolated in your market, you are (usually) toast.

The genius of the evolution of GSM was not the technology; it was the formation of a "carrier treaty" with two important principles, backed by government law or decree in the Euro nations at least: (i) Thou shalll use GSM and as a condition of your license you will provide border to border GSM coverage within your license area; and (ii) Thou shall sign a roaming contract with the GSM authority gaining roaming access and granting roaming access with all other GSM carriers.

These principles provided an assured basis for the swift and universal rollout of GSM within the treaty area and for the termination of analog service because even remote rural areas were brought within GSM coverage. It worked beautifully for GSM. Unfortunately times -- competition, technology and politics -- have changed and the trasnition to 3G is not going the same smooth way and will not.

We should explore some of the differences because the 3G game we will watch over the next couple of years will make some investment fortunes (and break some others).

propitious



To: Ramsey Su who wrote (17370)12/16/2001 7:03:23 PM
From: propitious7  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 196347
 
Colleagues: Thanks for wCeDucation
Mr. Moderator,RSU, Engin', EricL -- sincere thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with this Board, and I see that soem of these posts have been patched over to TMF, the board where I normally dine

I cannot absorb all the tech info in one shot so will hang these posts like intravenous bottles to drip into the blood stream over time.

I am surprised that I have not heard the wCDMA case articulated by anyone yet. I thought,Eric especially, might give us some NOK or ERICY links and tell us whether their claims are propaganda or not. As I said in my first post, I often read GSMafia making broad assertions of superiority but after an introductory sentence it usually falls back to the huge numerical superiority of GSM population over cdma population (uncontroverted) with the assertion that wCDMA is the "natural" or "logical" extension of GSM to 3G.

1. Will anyone take up the challenge to make the case for superiority of wCDMA -- when stabilized, optimized and whatever -- over cdma2000?

2. Can anyone explain why wCDMA is the "natural" extension of GSM; it is my understanding that the change from GSM to wCDMA is a "forklkift" transition with new radio tech, new spectrum (Eric's note on downbanding wCDMA was the first I had heard of its potential in existing spectrum rather than 2+ghz), new handsets so that in e.g. Malaysia for 3G there is no "technical efficiency" for the GSM carriers seeking 2ghz licenses for 3G to prefer wCDMA over cdma2000 -- as apparently they do.

The sense of the meeting to date seems to be (no surprise on a Q board) that cdma2000 has technical advantages over wCDMA and that in at least two respects, synchronous operation and HDR via data only, w would be well advised to emulate her sister.

If we are so-minded we may be put back to further inquiry along the lines of the hot thread started by Eric in telling us of the "lost opportunity" of QCOM to effect a rapprochement with the Euro crowd. It is, of course, a trusim -- and the thing about truisms is that often they are true -- that carriers do not adopt the most best technology; they adopt the most used technology. If you are a carrier and are isolated in your market, you are (usually) toast.

The genius of the evolution of GSM was not the technology; it was the formation of a "carrier treaty" with two important principles, backed by government law or decree in the Euro nations at least: (i) Thou shalll use GSM and as a condition of your license you will provide border to border GSM coverage within your license area; and (ii) Thou shall sign a roaming contract with the GSM authority gaining roaming access and granting roaming access with all other GSM carriers.

These principles provided an assured basis for the swift and universal rollout of GSM within the treaty area and for the termination of analog service because even remote rural areas were brought within GSM coverage. It worked beautifully for GSM. Unfortunately times -- competition, technology and politics -- have changed and the trasnition to 3G is not going the same smooth way and will not.

We should explore some of the differences because the 3G game we will watch over the next couple of years will make some investment fortunes (and break some others).

propitious