To: pcstel who wrote (109564 ) 12/16/2001 3:06:49 PM From: S100 Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 152472 Sounds pretty bad, I hope you are short a bunch. However, you may have over looked a few points. Each phone has a MSM. Just for sake of argument, lets say a price around $25 with a profit margin of 30 percent or $7.50 per phone. So far no one else has been able to make a good working MSM so it may be a while before much competition arrives. Even then, QCOM should get a cut of the action. Also, the last time I checked, the phones do not connect directly with each other but use a base station. The base stations use CSMs, which have a "quite a good margin". For sake of argument, lets say $100 profit each. The IS95 used 64 codes (channels) per sector, with most base stations having 3 sectors. There could be one (omni ) sector up to 6. Lets use 3 sectors for argument. The new CSMs support 32 channels each, so two per sector. But the new standards provide almost double the number of phones, so lets use 4 CSMs per sector or 12 per base station or $1,200 profit per base station. Now how many base stations? One in all of China? One base station for each phone? Enough to support 1 percent of the phones? 2 percent, 10 percent? Two percent sounds good so that gives about 2,600 base stations. About another $3 million or so for CSMs, not worth figuring in unless QCOM gets a percentage of the base station cost. Total profit for 50 million phones, about $500 million. Snip Analysts expect handset sales growth in China to be sustained by an eagerness among users to keep up with the latest fashions. "In China, people are keen to have the latest phone, and the replacement rate is higher than in the US," Mr Lewis says. He estimates that about 30 per cent of new handset demand in 2001 in China has stemmed from people replacing their existing handsets, compared with 22 per cent in the US. Snapnews.ft.com Perhaps you are reading these which accounts for your pessimism?seas.smu.edu seas.smu.edu He also wrote a book about GSM, "GSM Superphones" which is not worth buying BTW. OT, seems that OBL was seen via a spy satellite escaping into Pakistan. fightthebias.com