To: Jon Koplik who wrote (3915 ) 12/18/2001 10:52:47 PM From: Maurice Winn Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 12229 Okay Jon! That makes sense. But you had some control of the posting time and I would not accept the 1/720 odds if there was eom involved [expectation of money]; you specifically wrote <eom. (end of message). > so I guess we can accept it was random if you say so. But odds of 1:720 happen constantly. It's not even interesting unless odds are more like 1:million. But a moment's thought would leave you unimpressed by 1:million because the probability of most things happening is so low that it's ridiculous that anything at all can happen. For example, what was the chance of you even existing [although that probably seems to you as though it was a certainty]? Your particular little sperm cell had to race untold others - and how many other attempts were there before that race? So even us existing is improbably absurd. Then think of all the eons of ancestors who had to make it through the statistical risks of being eaten alive by raptors and bacteria. Out of all that absurdly impossible improbability, there you are [or your pixels anyway]. 1:trillion or 1:googleplex should be needed to really get the juices flowing with unexpected events. But really, things happen with a probability of 1, so it couldn't have happened any other way. When we talk about probability, we really only are trying to measure our ignorance about what's happened and going to happen. The champion stockmarket investors are those who can get closest to a probability of 1. Most people find that difficult [being more like sheep than P = 1 people] and their chances of beating the top TA algorithms, quantum computing and neural net stuff with maths PhDs helping out, are like Osama vs The World. Quantum mechanics fan club people claim that the universe it a statistical fluke with randomness built into what it's made of ... look at this discussion [these people seem to think it's random if you don't know the algorithm or something like that] lns.cornell.edu No way is it all a fluke! We just need to figure out the rules then we can climb outside it all and make it do what we want. My GSRS [TM] might be useful for that [better than the Segway!!]. It's nice to see pi featuring there... I like pie and pi and pipi too [NZ shellfish] Mqurice PS: Are you sure you didn't know the random number algorithm generator for that post giving 1:720? Segway here: segway.com including demostration. I think they are great gadgets and will sell like crazy. I don't see why the handle is needed though. It could be just the two wheels and platform. Lean forward to go, back to slow, left for left and right for right. Just like walking. I guess most people like to hold onto something that moves [like children learning to walk and holding onto a coffee table]. Soon though, "Look Mum! No hands!!"