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To: Skeeter Bug who wrote (135995)	12/18/2001 1:23:20 PM
From: craig crawford	Respond to of 164684

>> the US gave the bird to the world when they backed out of the agreement that barred missile shields. << 1) that agreement was made with the former soviet union--which no longer exists. 2) the soviet union cheated on arms agreements all the time 3) i don't care if we are giving anyone the bird. too bad. we have a right to defend ourselves and i commend bush for doing the right thing. 4) if the russians don't like it and want to fuss about it, no more economic aid. >> all i can say is... I TOLD YOU SO << i thought you said i should be ignored. looks like I TOLD YOU SO when i said you couldn't ignore me for long. heh, heh. >> america does what it wants when it wants b/c we have the biggest guns and most wealth. << notice it took a republican president with character in office even to accomplish this small victory. when we have a lying, cheating, treacherous, scoundrel in office for eight years look what we give the world. the keys to the lincoln bedroom and military technology in exchange for campaign contributions. you are only right to say i told you so if our country get's it's priorities in order and we start electing leaders with moral clarity and character. unfortunately that hasn't been a litmus test in recent years. >> your paradigm of a squealing america is just fear mongering. << i don't know what you mean here. >> second, cheap labor is one aspect of productivity << that is what i said. >> simple minds stop there. however, there are many other dimensions << oh yeah. you're back to your famous old argument. nothing is ever simple and complex issues require complex analysis and solutions. how exactly did that negate my point which you just so generously agreed with? >> I supervised a group of folks in electronics production in california and we built product less expensively than our mexican friends even though are wages were 900%+ higher... << forgive me if i don't want to spend time delving into the specifics of your situation when even if it proves as you say, doesn't negate my point. there are exceptions to every rule. >> i know folks who have told me horror stories about mfg in mexico. it rains, the labor force doesn't show. why? they can get a job paying the same wages when the rain stops. << maybe they can run across the border and get even better wages, then run back across after the rains stop. <g> once again, just because you can provide an anecdote where producing in mexico doesn't work well, i can provide even more examples suggesting the exact opposite. >> you aren't a good republican << i'm not a republican period. i don't know why you insist on associating me with republicans or why you ask me to speak for them or make apologies for them when i have clarified this numerous times. >> you don't live by the mantra "greed is good." << that is the problem with republicans these days. they forgot that country comes first, before the economy. or they should pay attention to the economy for the whole--not just a few multi-national companies that make up a large percentage of the profits and stock gains in america. america used to be considered the greatest country on earth because we championed freedom, liberty, and moral decency. all you have to do is look at the past eight years and listen to idiots like carville say "it's the economy stupid!" to see that our standard of what makes america great has become how fast we can grow GDP and how easily we can overrun war-torn third-world countries. >> better watch out before you get dubbed a liberal for being WEAK on GREED << i'll speak to this later. i gotta run for now...