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To: frankw1900 who wrote (14121)	12/19/2001 4:38:28 AM
From: maceng2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi frankw1900, Great read. check the current Israeli bombing list. It offers the most accurate prediction of the direction of this crisis. It's almost if this is being played out in slow motion. Here are some responses. ---------------------------------------------------------- A message from the Russian President to Arafat Palestine-Russia, Politics, 12/18/2001 Russian president Vladimir Putin has stressed that his country will help by all its means to calm down conditions in the occupied Palestinian territories and to re-set the situation into its right political track. In his message to the Palestinian President Yasser Arafat, Putin said that the two sides, the Palestinians and Israel have to take urgent measures in order to halt violence and extend bridges of confidence and further co-operation in the security field. The Russian President stressed that the strategic objective that should be achieved is based on Madrid principles and the UN security council resolutions 242 and 338 which guarantee the right of the Palestinians to establish their own independent state and the right of Israel to security within an internationally recognized borders. Meantime, the Russian prime minister Mikhael Kasyanov called for resuming peace negotiations in the Middle East. arabicnews.com ------------------------------------------------------------

To: frankw1900 who wrote (14121)	12/19/2001 7:13:15 AM
From: SirRealist	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Two horrible, murderous old men. They both should be cut down. Arafat wants all or nothing. He undercuts every agreement he signs and is unable to compromise in real time. Sharon believes in the siege approach (you kill one ? I kill three) which is like watching a Holocaust in slow motion. Neither has shown the capacity to move beyond ego & ideology. Since the software won't update, the mainframes are defunct. You are right on the money: new leadership must arise for progress to begin.

To: frankw1900 who wrote (14121)	12/19/2001 10:13:25 AM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I've got no time for Arafat. I don't think I've a lot for Sharon either. Those two really are quite the pair of worthy adversaries, and it's the citizen population that has really suffered at their hands. I doubt the Israelis are dupes, they've seen what a "success" the Sharon administration has been at providing security for them, and I think he's going to be gone soon. One could only wish the Palestinians could come to their senses about what Arafat has done for them in all this time as well. They're being used as cannon fodder in the goal of the destruction of the Israeli state, and it just isn't going to work. I really think nonviolent resistance would have won the cause of a nation for the Palestinians some time ago.. Non violent resistance doesn't work against a Saddam Hussein or Kim Jong, and it won't work against militant Islam, but it can function against a democracy, which Israel really is.